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GOING CRAZY. Ferguson Missouri
« on: November 25, 2014, 05:08:43 AM »
I don't know about you guys but I love keeping up with the news. The grand jury just Let Darren Willson go. HE KILLED AN INNOCENT!!! Now half of the US has gone bonkers. I hope everyone is safe.
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Re: GOING CRAZY. Ferguson Missouri
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2014, 12:44:31 PM »
Nah. Not enough evidence to convict beyond a reasonable doubt. Forensics say the kid went for his gun, or at least him, according to several of my friends. I'm not blinded by racism goggles.

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Re: GOING CRAZY. Ferguson Missouri
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2014, 05:53:31 AM »
My father's side is white and thinks it was a mistake/justified.


My mother's side is international and thinks it was racism at its finest.


I think anyone to blatantly pick sides over personal opinions is a major nutcase that doesn't deserve the internet.
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Re: GOING CRAZY. Ferguson Missouri
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2014, 10:27:16 AM »
My opinion:

  - Using lethal force without it being absolutely necessary: BAD (Though this may not be true, as most reports claim it was very necessary)
  - Militarization of Police: BAD
  - Rioting and looting stores: BAD

  No one side  is the good side, it's a whole mess of bad things after more bad things. It's just a total mess and I'm tired of people trying to claim that their side is in the right, in the scenario no side is in the right.
 
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Re: GOING CRAZY. Ferguson Missouri
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2014, 10:35:54 AM »
Didn't the militarization of police happen in most of the developed countries around the world? Is that even possible to prevent with the way people vote for government control?
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Re: GOING CRAZY. Ferguson Missouri
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2014, 11:58:28 AM »
I believe that the militarization of police is good, to a certain extent, and I emphasize 'to a certain extent'.
Riot vehicles (which many people misinterpret as tanks) are quite necessary, I think. They prevent people from getting seriously injured, on both sides. And I'm all for that!
SWAT teams are necessary, in order to face the growing threat of gangsters, ETC. Using illegally obtained military grade firearms.

However, if every single police officer dressed up like a SWAT unit, and carries around assault rifles? That's too far.

That's just my humble opinion.

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Re: GOING CRAZY. Ferguson Missouri
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2014, 02:59:49 PM »
Considering the sheer amount of ways somehow these illegal firearms are obtained even in the most restricted countries in the world, either from making new guns entirely or just shipping across the border, I don't think the police will ever be able to protect everyone no matter how fast you can call.
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Re: GOING CRAZY. Ferguson Missouri
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2014, 03:19:35 PM »
recently some one printed a gun with a 3d printer and was able to load and fire several time's before it broke.  (why not just stop the commercial production of bullets?)
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Re: GOING CRAZY. Ferguson Missouri
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2014, 03:27:27 PM »
There's plenty of 3D Metal printers now too, unless you can actually ban: saltpeter (gardening), wood (lol), water (FREEZE IT!), and fireplaces/metal cans you're never going to prevent the production of ammo, no matter how hard you try.

Everytime a ban is placed on a gun, someone effectively makes something to get around it or just entirely makes new weapons where none can be found.

For example, Australia: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/11/19/home-built-m11-submachine-guns-seized-australia/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/06/16/australian-police-10-firearms-seized-homemade/

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It's only going to get worse. I'll take my chances in the few remaining places where everyone is allowed to have a gun.
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Re: GOING CRAZY. Ferguson Missouri
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2014, 07:06:53 AM »
With all due respect, that's like saying "Making drugs illegal is bad because people can possibly get drugs, so we should let everyone take any drug they want". No law is 100% restrictive and solves 100% of all cases, every law will basically have someone breaking it, but by making a law you create a deterrence and less people will have guns. This is very easily seen from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country it is clearly seen that the countries with the most guns are those that have very loose gun restriction laws with the US having more guns per capita than any other country on earth, almost twice as much as serbia or more than Iraq and Saudi Arabia combined.

As for gun fatalities, there is no clear correlation between counties with banned guns and countries with not banned guns. It depends more on the control scheme of guns and who is and isn't allowed guns, as well as appropriate training for guns, that gives the highest factor in terms of correlating gun deaths. But having less guns does not cause MORE gun fatalities because "criminals can kill people easier", you can see there isn't really a correlation here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate note the US is 18th in the homicide category having more gun related homicides than any other first world country (as all the countries above US are not necessarily considered developed countries).

So the idea that "Someone can make a gun while others can't, therefore the country becomes more dangerous" is bogus and doesn't correlate with the statistics. Laws can be broken, which is why we have a whole judicial and policing system to avoid it. What I was saying about the lethal means is that justice cannot be served by fatally killing someone with a gun without a trial or any sort of hearing. Sometimes it's necessary but justice can never be served this way, so it should only be a last resort.
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Re: GOING CRAZY. Ferguson Missouri
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2014, 07:19:27 AM »
Darned if you do, darned if you don't. Banning them will make guns that much more valuable and they will be as revered as drugs. Mexico will have a new favorite export. Goodbye to the drug cartels and hello to the gun runners. We'll probably have to deal with both in this case.




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Re: GOING CRAZY. Ferguson Missouri
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2014, 07:44:49 AM »
I have to laugh at the situation.

A few years ago there was rioting amongst the coal miners and police were sent in to create peace.
Police were given live ammo.
The miners had machetes and other improvised weapons.
The hundred or so armed miners charged at the 20-30 armed police officers.

Can you guess already what happened?
It's also interesting to point out that the miners were all black and only 2-3 of the policemen were white.

Here's what the deal is and you can look past the fact there were police involved and what their race was:
Don't charge at an armed man. The law asks questions later and that's not going to matter to you when you're dead.


As for the now rioting in the States, wouldn't it be funny if the exact same thing happened again only en masse?
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Re: GOING CRAZY. Ferguson Missouri
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2014, 07:47:31 AM »
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Re: GOING CRAZY. Ferguson Missouri
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INNOCENT


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Re: GOING CRAZY. Ferguson Missouri
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2014, 09:06:41 PM »
Mike Brown was not innocent.
Eric Garner was not innocent.
Know who was innocent? Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos. The 2 NYPD officers shot because of all this race baiting.

 

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