My head is started to spin here but I think I've got at least a basic handle of what has been happening on these posts. first of I do want to post now that I'm glad no one has really been disturb or really off put by the question itself and that the thread was able to stay civil mostly. I think a problem here is ultimately when people here the term they mainly think that there's only one thing it could mean. However, It's pretty clear to me at least it does mean different things for different people. I'm really got nothing else to say on the matter myself. Weather I fully grasp the concept or not is irrelevant to me honestly I don't I'll ever really know but I've learned something from this and that's really what I set out to do with this thread understanding a bit over comprehending entirely is at least better than not having any bloody concept at all.