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Christianity?
« on: May 30, 2011, 04:56:05 AM »
Nota Bene: I am Catholic. I do not want to paint a target on myself by admitting that. (and that may be surprising bearing in mind one of my recent posts, but i am a bit of a reformed catholic, who does not wish to droll on about the specifics of my beleifs)  :o. I am firstly seeing advice from other Christians if they are here, but if you want to post, go for it. My word I am a winded post-er!  Anywho...


Hello again, its me: the guy who always posts warnings at the beginning of his threads,

I beseech thee o great furry forum for advice! As stated up there, I am a Catholic, and yes I attend mass often, and I know Christians and furries have not always gotten along well, and that may be my problem. I am not usually the person who would seek advice from a forum (trust me), but I have realized it is a good resource, so here I am. So, I am a catholic, and I do not hate furries in any way (duh). But I also realize that my thoughts, feelings, and urges towards fur-dom are a bit contrary to my religion. I have always felt a strong connection to animals, and enjoy their company. I firmly believe that certain animals have souls, whereas humans are the only ones with that god-given faculty in traditional catholicism. now that is not a big problem, but with all my furry antics lately I have almost forsaken my religion. Now my religion is one of forgiveness, but I do not want to apologize for my feelings, and I'm not even going to tell myself I will stop, because if anything, this part of my life is bound to get bigger. I am being selfish, and un-Christian for indulging these almost pagan feelings, and that is an inner-struggle I can admit to no one else. So does anyone have advise on how furriness and catholicism can co-exhist in my life? (I apologize about the lack of exact details, but if anyone wants to know the exacts, I will only share those on a much more private venue) (Also, this post is about me, these are my words and they may be mis-interpreted, I do not wish to bring up any issues with my or any other church ect...)   

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Re: Christianity?
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2011, 05:03:58 AM »
Now I personally am not qualified to give information on the subject, however I will say that there are a number of furs out here that live at peace with there religion, with christianity being dominant. It is also important to note that being a furry is not necicarily being pagan. If you start leaning towards therianhropy, then you may be entering turbulent waters, but you CAN live as a pious furry. The two dont have to contradicy eachother. One that note, if you do feel uncomfortable, I recomend seeking either your pastor or religious furry forum-mates and having a reasonable conversation on the subject.
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Re: Christians?
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2011, 05:12:05 AM »
It is indeed a very hard dilemma and one that can only you as the religious person you are, can solve.

It's impossible to live 100% according to the bible. You might have seen or heard about the man that wanted to live a biblical life for one year? ( http://www.ted.com/talks/a_j_jacobs_year_of_living_biblically.html Here's the video, I found it very interesting.) He didn't mix fabrics, he stoned adulterers (threw a few pebbles), he didn't sit anywhere where a menstruating woman had been sitting (to the great annoyance of his wife)... He found it impossible because it had so many contradictions. Why am I pointing this out? Because what he said in his conclusion might be of some help.
He said that it's about choosing what you want to follow and what you think is right. If my memory serves me. It doesn't really matter if he said it, because it's true. Many Christians are pro gay relationships even though the bible states it's wrong.
Speaking as an atheist, living in a country where religion is barely visible, I might not be the best to be giving advice. But Jesus was a forgiving, loving person. Overall, that's what is most important. Isn't it? Be a good person, which I bet you are.

I.. hope that helps somehow. XD


Upon watching the video again, I'd like to add that he talks about the Red Letter Christians (they focus on what Jesus said and did) and they said that Jesus never said anything about gays, but a lot about helping the outcast. Which I'd say kinda links to the fur community because I'd count them as outcasts in the modern world. Maybe watching it might help you.
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Re: Christianity?
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2011, 12:09:53 AM »
I am an evangelical lutheran. I am not too familiar with catholic tradition. All I know is that Catholics are more strict and follow the bible alot more literaly. From what I've been taught through confirmation and church services, there is no contradiction with God and the furry fandum. God loves EVERYONE. I would not follow ancient rules from the book of Leviticus. My pastor has stated in the past, "The Bible is not a science book and should not be worshiped. What should be worshiped is what each book relates to... God." In my church, openly gay individuals are not discriminated against. Infact both women and homosexuals can become pastors or hold office in the church. Even individuals who follow the fandum on a sexual level are not harming the church or their relationship with god.

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Re: Christianity?
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2011, 01:49:37 AM »
Sounds like my kind of church, if any. And I support this post.

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Re: Christianity?
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2011, 04:23:17 AM »
I'm not entirely sure how to address such a post without seeming condescending or hurtful, mostly because to get into any real helpful advice will probably involve various criticisms of your religious beliefs themselves (or at the very least a passing jab at them). So before I get into that, I'd just like to say that anything I say is neither intended to be hurtful to you as a person, nor is it meant to attack your choice to follow any religion you wish.

Now, to see what I mean, I will start by saying that, yes, in it's "purest" form, following your religion will likely deny you the right to practice (for lack of a better word) many aspects of the furry fandom. As you said, considering animals to have souls is to contradict the teachings of the Bible which establishes the soul as a tool to differentiate humans from "lesser" creatures. In addition, things like anthropomorphism of animals could very easily be taken as a form of idol worship, which again would be to go against some of the core beliefs of Christianity as a whole (not just Catholicism).

The dilemma enters here: which beliefs are more important to you? The belief that animals have a soul, and that you have every right to respect animals as more than the meager role that the Bible burdens them with? Or your beliefs that the Bible is the word of God, written for the sake of your "salvation"? To choose one is to deny the other in it's entirety, and as a religious individual I have to imagine you're inclined to stick to your holy text's teachings at all costs. However, you've come here looking for a loophole to try to find a way to keep both anyway. This says to me that you don't necessarily want to believe everything you've been taught to believe. That you potentially see a problem with it. Which, in my opinion, is a good thing. You're one of those who's actually prone to think, rather than just plug your ears and go, "Nope. Bible's right, guess I can't be a furry anymore." and just walk away from your non-religious beliefs in absolute favor of the religious ones.

Now's where what I say may come off as a bit of an anti-religious rant, which may make you uncomfortable, so I apologize in advance for that. [If you're really not sure you want to read it, just skip this paragraph to the "tl;dr", which is a little less harsh.] I've heard a couple people say already that there is no reason to think that religion (namely a sect of religion as stringent as Catholicism tends to be) and various aspects of the furdom need not contradict, but to say so is just plain dishonest, if you ask me. It supports this thought process that many religions have been retreating further and further into over the years. And that is: when real life morality and new precedents are set in our ever-evolving society, that religion can just "evolve" with it by coming up with excuses to disregard the undoubtedly bronze-age core of a religion, while keeping just enough to keep the religion from falling apart into nothingness. It's underhanded, it's dishonest, and it's just plain wrong. Deity-based religions, by the very merits they stand on, cannot evolve as a society does. They are based in absolutes set down by the particular religion's version of "god", so whatever was righteous and good back in the "bible days" should still be good now. So when religious folks try to remove pieces that they call "outdated", it's only right that you abolish all the other outdated bits as well.

tl;dr - It's all or nothing. It's one or the other. If you try to pick and choose to suit your lifestyle, you're only fooling yourself. If your god exists as he describes himself in the Bible, he's not going to be too keen that you've been cherry-picking through his holy book to justify living life by your standards, rather than his.

I apologize again if any of this made you uncomfortable, or if I came across as too harsh on any of the points I made. I'm just being as honest as I can be, and if it means giving an ultimatum that pits your religion against your other beliefs, so be it. 
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Re: Christianity?
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2011, 05:51:19 AM »
Now I personally am not qualified to give information on the subject, however I will say that there are a number of furs out here that live at peace with there religion, with christianity being dominant. It is also important to note that being a furry is not necicarily being pagan. If you start leaning towards therianhropy, then you may be entering turbulent waters, but you CAN live as a pious furry. The two dont have to contradicy eachother. One that note, if you do feel uncomfortable, I recomend seeking either your pastor or religious furry forum-mates and having a reasonable conversation on the subject.
I did not mean pagan in a completely literal sense, just as a counter-example to catholacism (maybe it was not quite the right word).

Anyway, I thank you all for you posts, please do not spare your thoughts, I'm a big boy with thick skin, I can take it, and would actually like to hear your opinions (that was the whole point of this). And I have spoken to my chaplain about this, but his advice was what I had expected, and did not really help, so that is why I came here, to just see what you guys thought. Let me clarify, I am a catholic in a very fundamental sense, I have a strong beleif in god, but not exactly in a traditional sense. I have taken many a class on Christian religious theory, and I'm well educated on the subject (and I have watched the living biblically film). I realize the failings of a literal interpretations of the bible, and am not blind enough to even try and follow the bible literally. I am also familiar with almost every protestant tradition, but I like the catholic tradition because of its  long tradition. My specific church (at home anyway) and pastor are very good for being catholic. We do not discriminate against gays (and neither do I, I supported the repeal of dont ask dont tell as a soldier, and have attended rallies ect...), and we have a very devoted outwardly gay organist, so I am very fortunate.

I guess my problem is just my church. I do not doubt what I believe, and I know God is forgiving, and with me either way, because I am his creation, but I have been drifting further and further away from my church for many reasons. I feel an obligation to my church and tradition out of loyalty, and I like to help people (which the church has helped me do), but with your words I am starting to re-consider. I know that I am the way I am, but I am not sure if I would like to change my moral failings (they are a bit worse than described) and there's the rub. Any Christian tradition is one of acceptance and forgiveness, but also of repentance. And I'm not sure if I should even follow a tradition when I have begun to start acting on my darker impulses. I havn't been trying to justify it, I'm not that arrogant, and I know it cannot be done, but I havn't been trying to stop either. And I know you may not have the answer; That I have to find myself. But your thoughts could help. I have made mistakes and not aksed for help in the past, and I know not to make that mistake again, so whatever y'all say I will hear it eagerly.

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Re: Christianity?
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2011, 02:19:41 PM »
Tradition and meeting with like-minded people can, and usually is, important and healthy. Not just to socialize but to strengthen faith and learn. There will always be people with different opinions during mass, you're extra cautious about it now maybe? I wish I had anything better to come with. Sorry.

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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2011, 02:33:50 PM »
As was stated, the bible shouldn't be followed word for word. The bible has antidote, not ones to follow and do all the same, but to live by. Should you go and feed a crap load of people with nothing but a fish? No, but you should give onto those who have nothing, not because you have to, but because you can.
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Re: Christianity?
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2011, 04:59:49 PM »
Icy maybe you should reread it, no one said it was. What was being questioned was if it went against the religion.
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Re: Christianity?
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2011, 05:08:20 PM »
i deleted my post ...read the thread wrong. i cant think of any thing to say
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Re: Christianity?
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2011, 05:30:53 PM »
you can take what i say with a grain of salt, being im not christian....in fact i rather have a dislike for religion in general

but this is how i see it....christianity is what YOU make of it, not what the masses have deemed "right" or "wrong". you already produce this mentality for being a furry...you do what you love, dispite the general publics dislike of you. they think you are bad, sick, weird..but you trudge on being you anyhow because you have pride.

homosexuals are deemed "against god" but i know many gay people that are religious and have close ties with there god. now the majority populatin dictates that being gay is BAAAD and a sin, and your going to hell and all that hoo haa....but they know in there hearts thats not true...people try to take there own fears and hates and justify it by saying its "not gods way". they project there hate.
but they dont care...they are gay, so what...but they keep right on loving there god and being the best christian they can.

you see its all about you...about whats right..about taking care of the people around you..not filling in these special guidlines, your gods love is unconditional...that means WITHOUT conditions.
you can be gay...you can be a furry...you can be a three legged kid born of a brother and a sister....it matters not what you are, or who you are....what matters is your faith.

and from what i hear...thats all that should matter......so off be with all the haters and trolls and people that say they know what god thinks....
haters gonna hate

but from what i hear...your god loves you no matter what, and so long as you live a good life and do right by the people around you....then your a-ok

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Re: Christianity?
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2011, 05:44:25 PM »
^ i agree

it dose say in the bible that God made every one in God's image so there is nothing  wrong with  not being heterosexual or a furry or anything for that matter, i guess.
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Re: Christianity?
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2011, 02:28:37 AM »
^ words of simple wisdom.

I suppose I'll do what I do either way, and I know I am faithful in my own way. I know that something will not feel quite right in church for a while, because I have defined something about myself (being a furry), and it is the way I am, I'm not gonna change it, nor do I want to. We all have our demons and our flaws (one of mine is being anxious/ nervous obviously), but being a furry is not one of them. The problem here i guess comes down to the fact that I am not open about my fur-fandom (hell, I have just declared myself a furry, and no that really hasnt changed me, but it was a big step for me. because I know if I came out and admitted it, I wouldn't be seen the same way, and thats a shame.) So I know every time I go to church something will be nagging at the back of my mind. I'll learn to ignore it, but being different sucks, and I'm sure some of you have felt that alone feeling at one point. I think I'd be used to being different by now, but Ive never quite had an identity like this. And that fact just emphasizes the clashing of my religion and recent lifestyle (its more than just being a furry), but I believe that has been the so-called nail in the coffin.

So thank you all for your comments. I guess Ive always known what you have all told me, but hearing someone say it to me has helped i guess.

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Re: Christianity?
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2011, 02:52:21 AM »
^ good i guess

be your self and dont let any one change that.
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