Furriness and Sexuality.

[George]

This isn't really related to sexuality, or the furry fandom at all, but in my time here I've noticed an interesting phenomenon, if a person is repeatedly exposed to a certain idea of concept that they generally have a negative opinion on for a long period of time, they eventually get normalized to it and get to like it. I'm pretty sure it has a name, but I've noticed it with a few things on this forum.

0vercoming predisposed notions?

[aperson1]

This isn't really related to sexuality, or the furry fandom at all, but in my time here I've noticed an interesting phenomenon, if a person is repeatedly exposed to a certain idea of concept that they generally have a negative opinion on for a long period of time, they eventually get normalized to it and get to like it. I'm pretty sure it has a name, but I've noticed it with a few things on this forum.

0vercoming predisposed notions?

Well when I first joined the forums, I thought of the concept of a fursona as quite odd. Now a couple months later I think about the idea as if it was something completely normal.

[Renefrade]

About trans. I probably wont mind so much if they are borned like that naturally. But if they have had an operation, then that bothers me a bit. But nothing against people in general.

[George]

About trans. I probably wont mind so much if they are borned like that naturally. But if they have had an operation, then that bothers me a bit. But nothing against people in general.

Uh...I don't think it works like that. Transgender means you're a different gender than you were born; that implies operation, so what you're saying is transgender people bother you. Is that correct?

[Renefrade]

About trans. I probably wont mind so much if they are borned like that naturally. But if they have had an operation, then that bothers me a bit. But nothing against people in general.

Uh...I don't think it works like that. Transgender means you're a different gender than you were born; that implies operation, so what you're saying is transgender people bother you. Is that correct?

So if a girl is borned with a penis, is she a girl then just with a penis. Same if a guy is borned with a vagina, is that something else other than transgender. Maybe i confused it a little bit

Emm.. like not the people. But i prefer if people are just happy with the gender they are borned with. But its not the worst thing in the world.

[aperson1]

About trans. I probably wont mind so much if they are borned like that naturally. But if they have had an operation, then that bothers me a bit. But nothing against people in general.

Uh...I don't think it works like that. Transgender means you're a different gender than you were born; that implies operation, so what you're saying is transgender people bother you. Is that correct?

So if a girl is borned with a penis, is she a girl then just with a penis and not a transgender.

Emm.. like not the people. But i prefer if people are just happy with the gender they are borned with. But its not the worst thing in the world.

Well that's another topic of discussion, and a completely different thing. With transgender, you're physically a gender but you feel internally as if you're another gender. However that's not the same as transsexuality.

[Renefrade]

About trans. I probably wont mind so much if they are borned like that naturally. But if they have had an operation, then that bothers me a bit. But nothing against people in general.

Uh...I don't think it works like that. Transgender means you're a different gender than you were born; that implies operation, so what you're saying is transgender people bother you. Is that correct?

So if a girl is borned with a penis, is she a girl then just with a penis and not a transgender.

Emm.. like not the people. But i prefer if people are just happy with the gender they are borned with. But its not the worst thing in the world.

Well that's another topic of discussion, and a completely different thing. With transgender, you're physically a gender but you feel internally as if you're another gender. However that's not the same as transsexuality.

I see. So transexuality is basically if you want to opperate your original genitals away to something else. While this is different. Sorry for this long debate btw

[George]

About trans. I probably wont mind so much if they are borned like that naturally. But if they have had an operation, then that bothers me a bit. But nothing against people in general.

Uh...I don't think it works like that. Transgender means you're a different gender than you were born; that implies operation, so what you're saying is transgender people bother you. Is that correct?

So if a girl is borned with a penis, is she a girl then just with a penis and not a transgender.

Emm.. like not the people. But i prefer if people are just happy with the gender they are borned with. But its not the worst thing in the world.

Well that's another topic of discussion, and a completely different thing. With transgender, you're physically a gender but you feel internally as if you're another gender. However that's not the same as transsexuality.

I see. So transexuality is basically if you want to opperate your original genitals away to something else. While this is different. Sorry for this long debate btw

Yep, seems like you didn't know before, which is why I asked.

[Renefrade]

I see. Thanks for explaining though. I don't have anything against people if they are like that either way

But glad i know the difference now hehe ^^

[Kozy]

Is this thread appropriate here? I've heard people say how they dislike furry and sexuality being brought up together yet there's a thread on here so if anyone's parents check up and see this they'll likely dismiss furry as too sexual. Sexuality is about what you are attracted to, for sex, which is hardly a matter of PG/13. Unless you're referring to romantic orientation, while straight or gay or biromantic. or panromantic or lesbian and trans can refer to sexuality it's not necessarily and can just refer to romantic concerns I think we should bare in mind the age of consent is higher than the board minimum. I'm concerned the presence of this thread could jeopardise the membership of some younger members, it has happened before. Certainly it's a subject condemned the PG areas of cons, and the fandom famous Uncle Kage is renown for his say on this topic. Some folk see the sexuality emphasis in discussions as more as a provocative one because there's little to gain from the discussion which has been known to be done countless times and is just not accepted on well moderated non PG forums, seeing this thread would immediately influence a (rightfully) protective parent. Another issue is the subject's drama and the drama around related subjects, already this thread has had a bit of that.

Just a concern.

[SadDubwool]

Wow Kozy...you are full of surprises...that litte paragraph is well worded...i salute you

[Nrein]

Is this thread appropriate here? I've heard people say how they dislike furry and sexuality being brought up together yet there's a thread on here so if anyone's parents check up and see this they'll likely dismiss furry as too sexual. Sexuality is about what you are attracted to, for sex, which is hardly a matter of PG/13. Unless you're referring to romantic orientation, while straight or gay or biromantic. or panromantic or lesbian and trans can refer to sexuality it's not necessarily and can just refer to romantic concerns I think we should bare in mind the age of consent is higher than the board minimum. I'm concerned the presence of this thread could jeopardise the membership of some younger members, it has happened before. Certainly it's a subject condemned the PG areas of cons, and the fandom famous Uncle Kage is renown for his say on this topic. Some folk see the sexuality emphasis in discussions as more as a provocative one because there's little to gain from the discussion which has been known to be done countless times and is just not accepted on well moderated non PG forums, seeing this thread would immediately influence a (rightfully) protective parent. Another issue is the subject's drama and the drama around related subjects, already this thread has had a bit of that.

Just a concern.

Honestly, if this were such a big issue, I feel like this thread wouldn't have survived as long as it has. As far as I could ever tell, I've never seen a member ejected from here by their parents because of content that they had seen on here (correct me if I'm wrong, but after three or so years I haven't seen it.)


The thing is, if a parent can't even let their kid, who must be old enough to be on the internet to understand some form of sexuality, partake in this conversation, then, well, the parent shouldn't let the kid on the internet in the first place. Not to mention, the parent would have to be pretty damn persistent to look around to find this particular thread, and then to take from it "Oh no, look at all this sexualness, my kid doesn't need this!" It's not like we're even discussing sex, just sexual attraction/orientation.


I'll be honest, this is looking way too far into it. It would be one thing if we were going full on details here, but it's just civil discussion. I wouldn't even call the "drama" on here, drama. Discussion, debate, etc.  And not to mention, anything that has been deemed too explicit, has already been removed.


I would say this is 100% appropriate as a topic of discussion, and even if people "dislike" it, that doesn't mean that everyone should have to suffer and get it removed/moved to an Adult-Only section, where it could honestly become too explicit.

[Kozy]

It's actually common to see "my son/daughter is a furry I caught him on such and such a site and I've stopped them accessing it" a little google search won't go amiss. This is why Kage made his stance. To relate furry to sexuality as this thread does means taking an object and applying sexuality to it, this is fetishism and hardly a PG matter. Sexuality is the orientation of which sexual acts are driven towards, nothing else, that's what the sex in sexuality means it's not rocket science. Why else would it be useful to know besides for sexuality itself? Again there's no indication that this discussion was for romantic orientation, in fact your romantic orientation can differ from your sexual one. What device does it have on a PG board? Ratings exist for many reasons I'm simply stating that there are consequences to this and if furry is so much not about sexuality then why discuss it? It seems the presence of the thread is pushing propaganda that it is acceptable and that's not neutral on either side. It's like those threads on gun forums that ask if you ever had thoughts of shooting at people of certain groups (even though the act of killing was not actually mentioned), my concern is on the same lines. If this is acceptable as a thread then why don't we talk about other legally protected subjects of sexuality besides biological gender, such as species and age. I see as pushing boundaries nonetheless and I don't dislike it, but it does put others at a threat, even one member and effects ever more the image of furry at a greater level to effect others then I think that's enough. Also, parents can't restrict children from Internet access, a child can use school Internet and most do so liability extends past parenting.

I'm just concerned, if those concerns aren't taken to then that's not my job but I can only stress my point so we don't lose any members or be used as a negative example even as a minor increment it can add to a lot and for this a lot of furries just into the lighter side get bullied for people thinking it's no different to the dark side.

I say drama because it was presumed someone was against a certain kind of sexual dimension, and this can spark controversy as I said sexuality is an adult matter and sparks reactions. The ratings after all are there to protect people, to prevent such reactions and any unhealthy mimesis. Though as I'll say again, the real issue is in the presence of the topic and potentially losing members or making people who would be interested in PG forums fear being furry and the peer pressure of having to be sexually interested in furry even though they aren't on a more intrinsic level which is akin to paraphilia which psychologists regard to as insanity and dangerous unless you have a more natural inclination.

Anyway this is on-topic, and condoning the subject becomes neutral in discussion with some anti-element, a balanced discussion/debate. I myself am actually neutral, but both sides deserve recognition if the thread must exist.

[George]

Kozy, you don't need to keep criticizing all the ratings systems. They're the way they are because that what works, if they were all as oppressive as you seem to want, nobody would be able to discuss anything without fear of punishment. People can tell what's ok and what's not without you harassing them for mentioning things you can't show on children's program. I wouldn't have bugged you about it if you only did it where it was relevant, but you've done this on other threads too.

Nic said it better than I did.

Honestly, if this were such a big issue, I feel like this thread wouldn't have survived as long as it has. As far as I could ever tell, I've never seen a member ejected from here by their parents because of content that they had seen on here (correct me if I'm wrong, but after three or so years I haven't seen it.)


The thing is, if a parent can't even let their kid, who must be old enough to be on the internet to understand some form of sexuality, partake in this conversation, then, well, the parent shouldn't let the kid on the internet in the first place. Not to mention, the parent would have to be pretty damn persistent to look around to find this particular thread, and then to take from it "Oh no, look at all this sexualness, my kid doesn't need this!" It's not like we're even discussing sex, just sexual attraction/orientation.


I'll be honest, this is looking way too far into it. It would be one thing if we were going full on details here, but it's just civil discussion. I wouldn't even call the "drama" on here, drama. Discussion, debate, etc.  And not to mention, anything that has been deemed too explicit, has already been removed.


I would say this is 100% appropriate as a topic of discussion, and even if people "dislike" it, that doesn't mean that everyone should have to suffer and get it removed/moved to an Adult-Only section, where it could honestly become too explicit.

[Kozy]

@Billy: Actually soliciting is directly against the board rules and that's nothing to do with this (and I only brought it up once in the other thread in terms of raring and that was from the original say a else was in clarification I was not complaining on any rating system condoning doesn't equal condemning), in that case however it was indirect yet still nonetheless there, the forums have a report button and it is clear that it is encouraged to report and to keep the board as it is intended in guidelines. Don't accuse me of things I don't do. The rating system doesn't matter here, it's the common issue that parents are given a bad view on furry, not everyone's situation or parents are the same either. I didn't intend for this to escalate at all, concerning is not arguing and my thoughts are the result of consensus not visceral demand, as I'll say again, I am neutral on the discussed aspect but am simply concerned with the presence of threads like these. Children shows don't ask a child about adult things, they aren't an interactive medium and online video game references are more akin to the forum medium.