Myers-Briggs Type Indicator

[Kozy]

@anoni:
Everything is subject to being rendered believable from a subjective angle, from scientific doctrine to scientific doctrine, from theory to theory, from religion to religion. I haven't seen a psychologist or scientist in their life who hasn't changed their doctrine. You either believe it or you don't. Hence, the world of knowledge is full of challengers, philosophers, they forget the original idea and unfortunately this sometimes even creates conflict or dispute.
However, there is actually an in depth, advanced theory behind MBTI, so you can't really judge it false without an in depth understanding. MBTI is about cognition not behaviour which is merely an influence on personality in terms of how they prefer to think, the issue is whether it is sound in the first place or not and there are actually more approvals than disapprovals then what I have seen.

I am certain I use specific functions, Ni rather than Si, Fe rather than Fi, Ti rather than Te, Se rather than Si, my issue is knowing which way around. My assessments point to Ni over Fe. The fact I prefer to judge things on the inside from internal knowledge rather than consensus outside more is Ti. When making decisions I am more concerned about others' feelings rather than agreeing with some standard, which is Fe. I wrap the world to my own perspective (Ni) and use myself to manifest an idea while testing said idea from various angles (Ni) and reflecting on substantial data towards an idea (Se); rather than wrap the world to my own wisdom and use myself and use myself to reflect on what is a good experience (Si) while such recalled experiences to create new various possibilities in the world around me (Ne).

Try to see what functions you use more of, Ti and Fe vs Fi and Te, Si and Se vs Ni and Ne if you wish.
To figure if you use T over F you should try to see whether it is your T or F function that you are more consciously aware of and may even take pride in using, I think for me that is Fe. To figure out if you use N over S you should try to see whether it is your N or S

By the way, if you are curious and it helps you understand, the little i next to a function means introverted, that means when you wrap worldly context to yourself, when it is e that means when you wrap yourself to worldlyy context. T stands for Thinking and represents the abstract logic behind how things work it experiences good emotion when right and negative when wrong. F stands for Feeling and represents our relationship with others and actually preserving the good of our own or others' emotions. N stands for iNtuition and takes/perceives data values, synthesising them into a mental framework in terms of how things relate to each others, identifying the context of data so to speak and seeing the general idea and how to employ that and why, when, etc. S stands for Sensory and refers to the perception of actual sensory information in the past and present as it is rawest form of cognition it has to work with the Judging functions (F/T) in a thought process otherwise it purely becomes sensation seeking and Si remembers and prefers familiar and safe (thus wise) experiences where as Se merely engages things for the thrill (sports, listening to heavy/detailed/unusual music, photographing everything that looks sensationally awesome (one of my biggest obsessions) and if you have a lot of it perhaps more hard sports and jumping out of an aeroplane).
In reality we use all of the functions but certain ones significantly more which is why the MBTI uses 4 dimensions. The MBTI questionnaire was merely designed as a quick assessment of this, the four letter Type Indicator has a special coding method when done by correct, certified tests, I have already mentioned this in a previous post ^^

[Ryan Naismith]

Well, I got ISTP  52% introverted 12% observant 5% thinking 35% prospecting 10% assertive. Anyone else get similar results?

[anoni]

What makes something truly believable is not just the theory, but the data as well. Did you know that around half the papers ever published about the Type Indicator was published by Center of Application of Psychological Type and the Journal of Psychological Type, which are organizations that teach, advocate and have a stake in promoting Myer-Briggs Type Indicators as a legitimate method support their industries.  Many studies have shown that the distribution of people getting one result on a test creates a normal distribution of statistics, however if people had types you'd expect a more even distribution. The other problem, which is what I've mentioned before, is that the "success" of the test is entirely based on whether or not the subject claims it was successful or not, the fact that there are numerous positive qualities and few negative qualities in the descriptions of each of the types opens the doors up to self-serving bias, which is an extremely well documented, studied and experimented phenomena which basically states "people will be more prone to agree with something if that thing says they have positive qualities". The Forer effect is also a widely experimented on effect that has probably more data in terms of it's analysis than Myer Briggs.

  You don't need to completely understand the theory in order to make a claim to disprove it. A theory that doesn't make accurate predictions, for example, is probably wrong without even knowing what that theory is. As well, in this case, a theory that contradicts other well studied and well documented theories, is also probably wrong, unless there is substantial evidence to suggest that the previous theory is correct, in the Myers Briggs case though, there isn't. My problem is based on self-assessment, I don't believe people can accurately self-assess themselves and their behavior, there's just too many known biases that can warp your sense of reality.

@anoni:
Everything is subject to being rendered believable from a subjective angle, from scientific doctrine to scientific doctrine, from theory to theory, from religion to religion. I haven't seen a psychologist or scientist in their life who hasn't changed their doctrine. You either believe it or you don't. Hence, the world of knowledge is full of challengers, philosophers, they forget the original idea and unfortunately this sometimes even creates conflict or dispute.
However, there is actually an in depth, advanced theory behind MBTI, so you can't really judge it false without an in depth understanding. MBTI is about cognition not behaviour which is merely an influence on personality in terms of how they prefer to think, the issue is whether it is sound in the first place or not and there are actually more approvals than disapprovals then what I have seen.

I am certain I use specific functions, Ni rather than Si, Fe rather than Fi, Ti rather than Te, Se rather than Si, my issue is knowing which way around. My assessments point to Ni over Fe. The fact I prefer to judge things on the inside from internal knowledge rather than consensus outside more is Ti. When making decisions I am more concerned about others' feelings rather than agreeing with some standard, which is Fe. I wrap the world to my own perspective (Ni) and use myself to manifest an idea while testing said idea from various angles (Ni) and reflecting on substantial data towards an idea (Se); rather than wrap the world to my own wisdom and use myself and use myself to reflect on what is a good experience (Si) while such recalled experiences to create new various possibilities in the world around me (Ne).

Try to see what functions you use more of, Ti and Fe vs Fi and Te, Si and Se vs Ni and Ne if you wish.
To figure if you use T over F you should try to see whether it is your T or F function that you are more consciously aware of and may even take pride in using, I think for me that is Fe. To figure out if you use N over S you should try to see whether it is your N or S

By the way, if you are curious and it helps you understand, the little i next to a function means introverted, that means when you wrap worldly context to yourself, when it is e that means when you wrap yourself to worldlyy context. T stands for Thinking and represents the abstract logic behind how things work it experiences good emotion when right and negative when wrong. F stands for Feeling and represents our relationship with others and actually preserving the good of our own or others' emotions. N stands for iNtuition and takes/perceives data values, synthesising them into a mental framework in terms of how things relate to each others, identifying the context of data so to speak and seeing the general idea and how to employ that and why, when, etc. S stands for Sensory and refers to the perception of actual sensory information in the past and present as it is rawest form of cognition it has to work with the Judging functions (F/T) in a thought process otherwise it purely becomes sensation seeking and Si remembers and prefers familiar and safe (thus wise) experiences where as Se merely engages things for the thrill (sports, listening to heavy/detailed/unusual music, photographing everything that looks sensationally awesome (one of my biggest obsessions) and if you have a lot of it perhaps more hard sports and jumping out of an aeroplane).
In reality we use all of the functions but certain ones significantly more which is why the MBTI uses 4 dimensions. The MBTI questionnaire was merely designed as a quick assessment of this, the four letter Type Indicator has a special coding method when done by correct, certified tests, I have already mentioned this in a previous post ^^

[Kozy]

@anoni
Jung typology isn't about MBTI, MBTI is a resellable remake of it, like Socionics. I am referencing classic Jung typing, which is nonetheless classed as MBTI now.
Just because something is sold doesn't make it wrong, most science papers are expensive to get a hold of and what is noteworthy legally is registered under a paid government-licensed roll. Statistics are a result of people, many answer tests as the ideal self which I agree is inconsistent and mood dependent. But I know my functions have never changed, they simply can't. Order is my issue. How worthwhile MBTI is is indeed a concern but for the New Age and as a community thing there is nothing wrong with it, it's become to be about self improvement.

If you answer the questions wrong each time, that is your inconsistency, tests are about preference - how you've always been. Forer effect is affected by the dynamics of changing action, yet it is extremely rare for people to change their cognitive style considerably, even through trauma. Minds don't change, philosophy and wants can. I don't know what convinces people that the psychology that has survived the test of time is more defining to psychological reality than the words of a few recent people, even neurology shows we have cognitive bias which in fact demonstrates what Jung expressed.

If anything, typology is more subject to the Galatea effect, for example those who get typed as thinkers and see themselves as thinkers started to express more of this expectation and excel better at it when working, feelers started to believe they were more people persons. However, T and F is not actually to do with what kind of people you are, everyone thinks and everyone feels. MBTI isn't about self-efficacy, it's about finding what you will enjoy better, career-wise, etc.

No theory is 100% verified, that said, most modern particle and cosmological theories are constantly debunked then reaffirmed. When done right, MBTI is actually very accurate. I'm not say it is right 100% but it is substantial.
Contrast it with Model A Socionics, based on a reinvention of Sigmund Freud's egos, both theories are compatible but states mode of thought in quadra. If you check out some official archives and communities around the theories, you'll understand that MBTI is so dependable in most cases, that it is ever increasingly mainstream. You can't disprove MBTI on people's misuse anymore than you can disprove mathematics by those who all keep getting their paper wrong.

For the most part I'm not overly bothered by the legitimacy of the MBTI so much as that is an interesting thing, to see what adds up from the inside out, I've always enjoyed people and how they relate to each than rather than math, people are far more complex.
Certainly, I do agree, however, a test simply isn't reliable due to not so much cognitive bias or idealism as philosophical, post-test belief and situational ones.

[まる☽Maru]

http://www.16personalities.com/intj-personality

I've taken this before and I always get INTJ. I'm happy with it as the description is flattering.

[Trixsie Vixen]

I was thinking about how the distribution of MBTI results in the MLP fandom are significantly different than in the general population.  So even though there are criticisms of the value of this personality test, I thought it would be interesting to see if TFF was also atypical also.

Though this test has become popular with recruiting agencies it should be treated as a rough estimate and a bit of fun.


So have fun!

I hope we're having fun?

*secret INTP gangsign*

[Kozy]

Trixsie you kind of seem INFJish to me. You're very verbose for an ENFP, anyway, I'd say Fe-INFJ (more bouncy) as opposed to me who's a Ni-INFJ (more aloof). ENFP is kind of like Simba from the lion king or something, kind of in a world of their own and throwing ideas around. Ask an ENFP what an ocean is and they're like "deeep" it's like they project their feelings about oceans then probably invent new ones mentally and an INFJ would be like "well, they're blue usually, *imagines pacific and Atlantic Ocean* why you ask?". xNFP use metaphors to express depth because of their Fi and Si, xNFJ use verbosity. I think aperson1 is INTP, as is anoni which is an awesome type by the way to the eyes of an xNFx, and tend to win over INFJs at arguing by arguing at us death if they really want to no matter who's right if anyone at a x3

[Snow Kittie]

I completely forgot what I was ):

[Buna]

INTJ

I will RULE THE WORLD

[Crystali]

ooh! the Myers-Briggs did this one im an ESFP 

[Hycanith]

Haha, this one made me laugh, it's so true!

[Kozy]

It's not a horoscope you know, look deeper into the psychological functions and join a forum like Personality Cafe and do several go to professionally tested assessments over time. Don't adopt it like a persona, also, that can be overly self expecting and push you past your capabilities in a subconscious attempt to embrace your ideal self.

[Crystali]

Haha, this one made me laugh, it's so true!

LMFAO i thought all E'S sweard lots

[Ulfur]

I got INTP. This is the best thing that I found regarding INTP. Pretty good summary

[Trixsie Vixen]

This is why I love INTP!