I had a thought...

[Teiko]

Again, our laws of nature are unique to our universe (probably, maybe). So with that in mind, why can't things pop out of nothing outside of our universe? Maybe the laws out there say things DO come from nothing. And a being out there would look at our universe and think we are nonsensical.

Perhaps things don't NEED a beginning or an end outside this universe. We just see it as common sense because we don't know anything different.

[Karric]

anyone else heard of dark flow  
because it is kind of relevant

[Teiko]

anyone else heard of dark flow  
because it is kind of relevant

Negative, but it sounds dirty

[Karric]

lol
all it is some people looked at open star cluster e.g the Pleiades to figure out which way the majority of matter was moving in the universe and it turns out that the majority of matter is moving to a singul point this is evidence for a multiverse because if a universe was close enough to our the gravitational pull would pull all the galaxy's to it
the scientist that discovered this called the movement dark flow

[Obey138 (Matthew "Fluffy")]

We're nothing but anomalies.

[Teiko]

That is very interesting. As we all know from Interstellar (  ) gravity can communicate accross the dimensions. What i want to know is, if all the matter is being attracted to one point, then would it be a different point than where the matter is entering our universe (ie white hole that i have speculated)? Because i believe the universe is still expanding, from which we can infer matter is entering it still. I would imagine that our birthing multiverse would be closest at the point of the "white hole" so would that not be the most gravitational area?

...or could it even be an alien multiverse who's gravity we are feeling? Maybe it is in very close proximity to us?

Or maybe matter isn't entering, but spacetime is expanding. (Not sure if that counts as matter).... Perhaps we have separated from our birthing nultiverse completely and are a floating bubble (or brane or whatever) and are still detecting our host's gravity. But why the expansion? Is it because an object in motion stays in motion? If spacetime started expanding when it was birthed, what would stop it from doing so if there is no medium? Gravity within itself? Then why is it accelerating?

[Karric]

i like the white hole idea but it was just shewed to the scientific community as a mathematical probability in reality it couldn't exist as it defy s so meany laws of physics
before i continue do you know what entropy is

[Teiko]

Well, let's just say i Googled it haha

[Karric]

ok so say i rip a piece of paper in 2 that increases the amount of entropy in the universe this is essentially what a black hole dose but say i got the 2 pieces of paper did the same action that tore the piece of paper in 2 in the first place but did it in reverse and the 2 pieces became 1 again so it is like putting something in a shredder the wrong way around that has previously been shaded and you would get the original out the other side non damaged
because of this it recrudesces the amount of entropy in the universe which goes against the laws of physics
so if one did exist it would be very unstable and only exist for a very short amount of time(max 5 min)
but the funny thing is we think we have observd a white hole which is wierd

[Obey138 (Matthew "Fluffy")]

ok so say i rip a piece of paper in 2 that increases the amount of entropy in the universe this is essentially what a black hole dose but say i got the 2 pieces of paper did the same action that tore the piece of paper in 2 in the first place but did it in reverse and the 2 pieces became 1 again so it is like putting something in a shredder the wrong way around that has previously been shaded and you would get the original out the other side non damaged
because of this it recrudesces the amount of entropy in the universe which goes against the laws of physics
so if one did exist it would be very unstable and only exist for a very short amount of time(max 5 min)
but the funny thing is we think we have observd a white hole which is wierd

I don't understand

[Teiko]

When did we observe it???

And i'm confused as to what happens to matter in a black hole... I thought matter cannot be destroyed, so why would it have to be "reassembled" in a white hole if it couldn't be destroyed in the first place? My understanding was that it was inly broken down into it's smallest particles (quarks i guess?)

A momentary white hole that blasts matter out seems an awful lot like a Big Bang to me, and seems to fit with the idea that our universe has a host multiverse.

[Karric]

ok so entropy is the amount of destruction in the universe basically so if i destroy something that increases the amount of entropy in the amount universe .[/size]so a black hole increases the amount of entropy in the universe it is basically putting a piano into a shredderbut a white hole is the opposite it decreases the amount of entropy in the universe it is like getting the shredder chips of the piano putting it into whir the shadings came out of and a piano comes out of the other end decreasing the amount of entropy is against the laws of physics so if one did exist it would be really unstable and live for 5 mins topsalso white holes are at the other end of black holes and don't lead to other universes if their is a portal to another universe it goes the the eridnas suparvoid that is the most likely candidate as it is one of the theorizes as to what it is

Post Merge: June 17, 2015, 10:03:19 PMthe matte isn't destroyed a prose called specification no joke that's the real scientific term for it is carried out it takes the object and makes it into a string of atoms like spaghetti hints the name the white hole takes thees atoms and assembles them again into its original form

[Teiko]

Then that raises more questions for me, because if we speculate that we are feeling the gravity from another universe or our multiverse, then why would there be a void at our closest point?

And i think i understand the white hole thing more  it does the exact opposite of a black hole. I was imagining earlier that it would spit out the broken up pieces like a garbage disposal.

[Karric]

im not sure if the void is at the closest point i just know its their and that is one of the theories as to what it is

Post Merge: June 17, 2015, 10:10:59 PMif you have any questions pleas do ask i will answer them tomorrow i have to go to sleep thanks

[Teiko]

this thread arouses teiko