The Random Thread

[Traum]

China has no animal welfare laws at all, so it wouldn't surprise me if it was like that in all of China.
AND China sells their fur to the rest of the world, where they make stuff, so it's really hard to tell from where something really came.

So this is why you're buying from reputable manufacturer. And you don't need to know the ultimate truth, you only need to believe it.
The whole morality thing, well I don't force my believes on other and I want them to do the same for me.


Post Merge: October 20, 2015, 09:10:36 PM
Obey, you watch too many movies

[Cheza]

Probably banned because it might upset people. It seems to be a pretty toucy subject especially among furries.

Never said it wasn't cruel.
Tho, in my opinion, a tail made from a fox that got to be a fox wouldn't be (as) cruel. I have nothing against hunting and/or taxidermy. (A tail made from a fox that died from natural causes wouldn't be cruel at all.)
Fur farming, on the other hand, is pretty much just pure cruelty.


And no, foxes are one of the least endangered species there is xP

Ever felt dead?

Any reason I should?

There are people hunting others for kidneys, just like we hunt animals for fur

Yes, people like to kill people for 9001 different reasons.
I still don't see how that should make me feel dead or how I'm a bad person for thinking hunting is better than cramming animals into tiny cages until they're brutally murdered without ever having even felt the ground underneath their paws.


I'm not a hunter and have never (intentionally) pointed a gun at any living creature. But I have no issues with hunting or hunters.
I just consider that to be the lesser of two evils.
If I could chose, I'd also prefer to eat animals that got to be animals rather than factory-farmed ones.


Real fur isn't even necessary in todays society (except for if you're a native living off the land somewhere in the middle of nowhere), so for all I care, fur could be banned altogether.

[Obey138 (Matthew "Fluffy")]

Obey, you watch too many movies

Sorry, but in the past, where I live (next to Ukraine), russian mafia was a real thing

[Obey138 (Matthew "Fluffy")]

2730 -confirmed kills- kindeys stolen. Deal with it

[Cecilia Peromi]

I have a real tail. Fake tails are still better tho since real tails are all floppy and stuff. Fakes have a lot more bounce to them and usually look better too.


Real tails are also usually banned from cons and stuff.

I got confused. For a second I thought you actually had a tail. I got so jealous!

Anywas, I drew a thing:

[Obey138 (Matthew "Fluffy")]

Im a KILL YOU. NOW

[Traum]

Yes, people like to kill people for 9001 different reasons.
I still don't see how that should make me feel dead or how I'm a bad person for thinking hunting is better than cramming animals into tiny cages until they're brutally murdered without ever having even felt the ground underneath their paws.


I'm not a hunter and have never (intentionally) pointed a gun at any living creature. But I have no issues with hunting or hunters.
I just consider that to be the lesser of two evils.
If I could chose, I'd also prefer to eat animals that got to be animals rather than factory-farmed ones.


Real fur isn't even necessary in todays society (except for if you're a native living off the land somewhere in the middle of nowhere), so for all I care, fur could be banned altogether.

Banning only because it's not vital is stupid. It's called luxury. Yes these animals are grown only to be killed and skinned, but they never experienced freedom or a so called good life, so they don't really suffer, because these things don't exist for them. And people need to stop considering only human-like organisms to be worth living a life.

[Cheza]

So being left with untreated eye/ear/skin infections, cuts, bites, scrapes, no water and/or broken bones isn't "suffering" to you?


...And isn't that excatly what I'm doing? Saying that I'd like non-human organisms to have decent lives too?

[George]

I have to say, Cheza is correct and Traum is not. It's that simple.

[ShirokuTheHusky]

It is. No argument.

[Traum]

So being left with untreated eye/ear/skin infections, cuts, bites, scrapes, no water and/or broken bones isn't "suffering" to you?


...And isn't that excatly what I'm doing? Saying that I'd like non-human organisms to have decent lives too?

These animals are not left untreated, because they would simply die. Of course treatment is crude, mainly only antibiotics in food. Not all make it, but most of them do. By saying non-human like I mean bugs, plants, bacteria.

George, non of us is correct. We know almost nothing about this world so our conclusions can't be right ones.

[Obey138 (Matthew "Fluffy")]

Traum, you speak weird

[Cheza]

They -are- left untreated more often than not. A fox-pelt is only worth ~$18 so it's cheaper to just leave them to die than to treat them.

[Grey]

Yes, people like to kill people for 9001 different reasons.
I still don't see how that should make me feel dead or how I'm a bad person for thinking hunting is better than cramming animals into tiny cages until they're brutally murdered without ever having even felt the ground underneath their paws.


I'm not a hunter and have never (intentionally) pointed a gun at any living creature. But I have no issues with hunting or hunters.
I just consider that to be the lesser of two evils.
If I could chose, I'd also prefer to eat animals that got to be animals rather than factory-farmed ones.


Real fur isn't even necessary in todays society (except for if you're a native living off the land somewhere in the middle of nowhere), so for all I care, fur could be banned altogether.

Banning only because it's not vital is stupid. It's called luxury. Yes these animals are grown only to be killed and skinned, but they never experienced freedom or a so called good life, so they don't really suffer, because these things don't exist for them. And people need to stop considering only human-like organisms to be worth living a life.

Had to quote this. Think of battery chickens. They spend their whole lives in a cage about the size of an A4 sheet of paper with many, many other chickens, yet you can clearly see the psychological damage, as well as the pysical issues. Chickens that are battery farmed, like many farmed animals never get to exhibit their natural behaviours. Most of these behaviours are innate, so whether or not they've experienced something will have no effect on how these behaviours manifest, and denying these behaviours by not giving the animals what they need leads to a great deal of stress. That can cause aggression to other animals and humans, stereotypical behaviours and self harm.

Before you make silly statements, read up on the subjet. Chickens, like foxes need lots of space. Chickens without space lose the ability to exhibit natural innate behaviours. Like foxes.

[George]

They -are- left untreated more often than not. A fox-pelt is only worth ~$18 so it's cheaper to just leave them to die than to treat them.

Exactly this, Traum. I would tell you to do your homework but seeing the conditions there is so nasty I'll just hope you believe us.