The Random Thread

[KeahiNimbusLeHyena]

I would love having pokemon. I do battle in games, but if I had one in reality, no, I'd treat them as a great friend. Especially since some are humanoid and very intelligent. It'd be useful to have a fire type pokemon heat up a room. But also, an accidental fire could happen... But water type.... Some of the things fix themselves.

[George]

I think it'd be better if Shrek was real

[Brisky]

Sigh...

Noo, George, it wouldn't be better if Shrek was real, because Shrek [REDACTED], and that's not good....

Spoiler for Hidden:

Shrek will haunt your dreams.

[The Past]

I don't get when people call Pokemon "virtual dog fighting/animal abuse". That's like calling boxing human abuse. The Pokemon are clearly sapient and enjoy it most of the time. It's a sport.

[Brisky]

Well, yes, boxers get forcibly locked up into tiny little balls, and totally don't get paid with buckets of money or anything.

Not to say that pokemon don't enjoy fighting, but most pokemon fights I've seen, the participants didn't look exactly friendly to eachother.

Then to add up, it would've indeed been a lot more friendlier if pokemon battles revolved around tapping their opponent out, but no, the goal is litterally to knock them unconcious.


But again, I'm not a pokemon expert...

[Cheza]

The thing with boxing is that that's two people voluntarily fighting without someone else telling them to.

Considering that pokemon and human were much more equal in the distant past, it does look kinda similar to the Falmer-situation in Skyrim (altho the circumstances aren't the same).
Two more or less equally-sentient species lived together, then one invented the means to more or less enslave the other, and now the other species (the pokemon) have sort of ended up getting stunted/stuck at their current stage whereas humans have gone on to be all modern and intelligent and stuff. While also using the "lesser" species for everything from food to warfare and whatever you can fit in between.


The old tales in the library of Canalave city seem to suggest humans and pokemon were equal enough to understand a common language at one point.
There's also mentions of humans eating pokemon. And censored in translation, humans and pokemon would marry each other.


It also makes the whole "hand out dangerous elemental creatures to children and encourage them to head out and battle and stuff" make a lot more sense, as they'll just grow up and accept and enjoy it as a normal everyday thing without really overthinking it too much.
Pokemon have proven themselves to be way more intelligent than most people believe (just look at Meowth of Team Rocket. It's just a regular Meowth who on it's own learned how to walk and talk like a human. If he could do that, then it wouldn't surprise me if others could too.)


All these years of things being this way has probably just conditioned the pokemon to view battling and getting beat up and bruised as a good thing.
The pokeballs probably mess with their heads too.


I mean, just look at the PMD-games.
No humans in sight anywhere, and those 'mons are way more advanced (they have peaceful societies (as the games always explain that the pokemon in the dungeons aren't necessarily all-bad, it's just something about the place that makes them upset and violent), send their young ones to school, know how to create fabrics and medicine and how to operate more complex devices, and so on) than the ones in the main series games.
The first PMD-games have some ruined seemingly man-made structures around (the decrepit lab), which suggests that there used to be humans around but something happened to them.
And now that they're gone, wild pokemon no longer have to live in fear and constantly be on the alert to defend themselves or their kin, so they've started to advance as a species again because they're finally free.


In short, TEAM PLASMA WAS RIGHT!!!!
_{Actually no that's just a joke. >->}


That's just my head-canon and stuff tho.
I love stuff that's got an innocent outwards appearance but that's actually pretty sinister if you scratch the surface.

[Brisky]

I blame nuclear reactors in mystery dungeon.

90% Nuclear incident, given that all man-made structures are completely intact, and only show damage suggested to time inflicted decay.

Gasp... Fukushima is going to kill us all!

Spoiler for Hidden:

Dw, it's not tho...

What's that game called again? Animal crossing, right?

[The Past]

Cheza, how is telling the Pokemon what to do in battle automatically the pokemon being forced? It's a strategy sport.

PMD isn't really a main series universe thing. I highly doubt it's canon.

[Cheza]

The pokemon still don't have much of a say in any matter.
Does anyone ever even ask their pokemon if they want to fight? The anime has several examples of Pokemon that don't like to battle.
Might very well be many feel they don't have much of a choice but to fight since weak/"bad" Pokemon often just get stuffed into a PC somewhere to rot forever (in the games at least), unless the trainer just flat out release/abandon them. (More commonly seen in the anime.)
Which also doesn't seem to be a too pleasant experience for a Pokemon either, possibly because the pokeball does something to their brain.
I just find it very hard to believe a Pokemon that randomly ran out and attacked you 5 minutes ago would start to unquestionably obey you just like that after getting beat up and stuffed into a ball. (Or well, converted into energy and stuffed into a ball. Doesn't sound much better to me.)
Unless every single Pokemon everywhere is bound by some sort of super-strict honour code that calls for them to go into eternal servitude to whoever defeats them in battle.


But in any case, even if we assume all is fine and dandy between trainers and Pokemon and I'm just being edgy as f (which is fair, like I mentioned before this is just what I believe, not what I demand everyone else to also believe), it's hardly sportsmanlike and quite abusive to first beat up a wild Pokemon until it faints and then walk away without making sure the defeated one will be ok.
In Sun/Moon, you meet an NPC that tells you this: "When Pokemon are injured in the wild, they tend to hide themselves away somewhere.
That is so that they can recover in a place where they'll be safe from further harm.
But sometimes they need more care than that.
We seek them out and care for them so that they don't lose their lives alone in the wild.
Even though they are incredibly on-edge and it's quite dangerous to approach them."


This organisation (the Aether foundation) only exist in Sun/Moon, but it could be assumed that the Pokemon Ranger trainer class from Gen3 main series-onwards fill a similar role. No equivalent that I can think of seem to exist in Kanto (except for some Rangers in the Sevii islands) or Johto. (The Camper/Picnicker trainer classes could possibly do what rangers do, but their dialogue makes no mention of saving/protecting wild pokemon like Rangers or Aether staff members do.)
Trainers (at least not the player character) don't seem to care at all for what happens to the wild Pokemon once defeated, and I really don't believe a pokemon will be fine after taking multiple fire blasts to the face until they faint.
Even if wild Pokemon might seriously enjoy battling just as much as caught ones, it is really abusive to seemingly leave them to their fates and hope some AF-staff member/Ranger/possible camper/picnicker/other person find and help them.
Sure, wild Pokemon are known to sometimes help wild Pokemon, but wild Pokemon are also known to eat wild Pokemon. Even if organized Pokemon battles might be fun and safe for everyone involved, there really is no defending wild Pokemon battles as fair.

[Trixsie Vixen]

If I eat pokemon just to hear them cry am I doing it wrong?

[George]

If I eat pokemon just to hear them cry am I doing it wrong?

Yeah, that's not very efficient. When you eat too much if it, it stops crying.



I promise I'm just feeding the joke

[Trixsie Vixen]

Yeah, it's not even worth starting unless you have a pile of them


If I only have a few then I just wring them out like a sponge for their tears.

[Brisky]

Trixie, you are such a typical vixen, aren't you?

Cheza does have a pretty good point, though. Now that I've read it....

[Trixsie Vixen]

There is no such thing as a typical vixen.  Being unique is our defining feature.







Oh...  bugger.

[Brisky]

I guess it's a pretty commonly known fact that foxes just kill things for the heck of it, tho...