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Offline Firox

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  • Weight: 38 lbs / 17kg
  • Build: playful, caring, competitive
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Re: The Snack Den
« Reply #23415 on: December 04, 2016, 12:00:35 AM »
*cuts cakes in half - makes sure the mixing of strawberry and cheesecake are ready*


*sets one layer of cake below, mixes in the cheesecake filling, and adds strawberries, starts on next layer - until all 4 are done*
smiles, that looks very good, one more to go


*brings over the frozen cake from freezer and adds the layer of it to the top of the cake, adds more of the strawberry cheesecake filling all around, and adds strawberry to the top*


itz ready now!
*cuts the cake into smaller pieces*


*by now, sadly to me tew, the itchy feeling is starting, right paw gets a bit itchy*  :S
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Vay, female, Vaporeon, New York CIty, New York
Joseph, male, Jolteon, Kansas City, Missouri
Aaron, male, Flareon, McMinnville, Oregon
Arval, male, Umbreon,  San Francisco, California
Jyo, male, Espeon, Seattle, Washington
Linette, female, Leafeon, Biloxi, Mississippi
Grace, female, Glaceon, Minneapolis, Minnesota
Sherrie, female, Sylveon, Las Vegas, Nevada

8 opposite gender mates:
Leonardo, male, Vaporeon, Venice, Italy
Robyn, female, Jolteon, Bridgetown, Barbados
Fleur, female, Flareon, Marseille, France
Aycan, female, Umbreon, Istanbul, turkey
Elise, female, Espeon, Basseterre, St. Kitts-Nevis
Zoran, male, Leafeon, Velez, North Macedonia
Florian, male, Glaceon, Craiova, Romania
Seth, male, Sylveon, Ashgabath, Turkmenistan

My other supporting sonas:
Charlene - Bobby - Marrie - Milo - Vanessa - Zoey - Jeremy -Yana - Kumar - Francine - Rorch - Marvinne - Darsha

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Re: The Snack Den
« Reply #23416 on: December 04, 2016, 12:04:56 AM »
oh it iz?! can we nomz yet!?!  :D :D

* climb out of the bowl, covered in chocolate and runs over to Firox with my tail wagging super fast *  :P
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Offline Firox

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  • Height: 3ft / 91 cm, lenght: 3ft 6in / 106cm, tail: 3ft 6in / 105cm
  • Weight: 38 lbs / 17kg
  • Build: playful, caring, competitive
  • Currently: friendly and full of fun - love chocolate chip cookies!
Re: The Snack Den
« Reply #23417 on: December 04, 2016, 12:08:08 AM »
It is all ready to nom, it's up to Vee to decide when to start nomming
four layers of chocolate cake and a vanilla ice cream layer on top of lots of strawberry cheesecake filling and extra strawberry jam and fresh berries inside and on top tew


*trying best to ignore the itching on my right paw*
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Vay, female, Vaporeon, New York CIty, New York
Joseph, male, Jolteon, Kansas City, Missouri
Aaron, male, Flareon, McMinnville, Oregon
Arval, male, Umbreon,  San Francisco, California
Jyo, male, Espeon, Seattle, Washington
Linette, female, Leafeon, Biloxi, Mississippi
Grace, female, Glaceon, Minneapolis, Minnesota
Sherrie, female, Sylveon, Las Vegas, Nevada

8 opposite gender mates:
Leonardo, male, Vaporeon, Venice, Italy
Robyn, female, Jolteon, Bridgetown, Barbados
Fleur, female, Flareon, Marseille, France
Aycan, female, Umbreon, Istanbul, turkey
Elise, female, Espeon, Basseterre, St. Kitts-Nevis
Zoran, male, Leafeon, Velez, North Macedonia
Florian, male, Glaceon, Craiova, Romania
Seth, male, Sylveon, Ashgabath, Turkmenistan

My other supporting sonas:
Charlene - Bobby - Marrie - Milo - Vanessa - Zoey - Jeremy -Yana - Kumar - Francine - Rorch - Marvinne - Darsha

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Re: The Snack Den
« Reply #23418 on: December 04, 2016, 12:11:54 AM »
* stares at teh cake for a bit with mouth watering a bit *  :D

* then suddenly runs at it at full speed and dives at teh cake making up my upper half get stuck in, begins to nom away very fast *   XP
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The pulls of the air we're breathing

If we can believe in one part of it
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Re: The Snack Den
« Reply #23419 on: December 04, 2016, 12:12:46 AM »
Pads over to watch the baking and assembly  "Wow, that turned out great, looks really good!"


Laughs at Vee in the bowl, turning into a Chocolate covered Vee..



Sees you acting a little funny, shifting your leg... "Are you okay? didn't  land wrong or anything?"
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Offline Firox

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  • Species: Red Fox *Flareon*
  • Coloring: Main fur red, do have fluffy yellow fur on head tuft, mane, and tail, dark red inside ears
  • Height: 3ft / 91 cm, lenght: 3ft 6in / 106cm, tail: 3ft 6in / 105cm
  • Weight: 38 lbs / 17kg
  • Build: playful, caring, competitive
  • Currently: friendly and full of fun - love chocolate chip cookies!
Re: The Snack Den
« Reply #23420 on: December 04, 2016, 12:16:05 AM »
 :S  on the way back, flew by some bushes
*lightly scratching with my front right paw, trying to not be too noticeable*



are you gonna sharez some Vee  X3
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Vay, female, Vaporeon, New York CIty, New York
Joseph, male, Jolteon, Kansas City, Missouri
Aaron, male, Flareon, McMinnville, Oregon
Arval, male, Umbreon,  San Francisco, California
Jyo, male, Espeon, Seattle, Washington
Linette, female, Leafeon, Biloxi, Mississippi
Grace, female, Glaceon, Minneapolis, Minnesota
Sherrie, female, Sylveon, Las Vegas, Nevada

8 opposite gender mates:
Leonardo, male, Vaporeon, Venice, Italy
Robyn, female, Jolteon, Bridgetown, Barbados
Fleur, female, Flareon, Marseille, France
Aycan, female, Umbreon, Istanbul, turkey
Elise, female, Espeon, Basseterre, St. Kitts-Nevis
Zoran, male, Leafeon, Velez, North Macedonia
Florian, male, Glaceon, Craiova, Romania
Seth, male, Sylveon, Ashgabath, Turkmenistan

My other supporting sonas:
Charlene - Bobby - Marrie - Milo - Vanessa - Zoey - Jeremy -Yana - Kumar - Francine - Rorch - Marvinne - Darsha

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Re: The Snack Den
« Reply #23421 on: December 04, 2016, 12:19:05 AM »
* doesn't hear Firox's question, has upper half buried in the cake and still nomming quickly. wags tail and gently kicks hind paws *   XP
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Everything comes from nothing
Everything is something
So just let it all keep happening

Don't be a means to someone's end
It's all just beginning why can't we extend
An invitation to every hand

All hands can clap
All hearts are beating equally
The pulls of the air we're breathing

If we can believe in one part of it
Then we can believe in all of it
So don't stop
Don't stop the party

Offline Firox

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  • Species: Red Fox *Flareon*
  • Coloring: Main fur red, do have fluffy yellow fur on head tuft, mane, and tail, dark red inside ears
  • Height: 3ft / 91 cm, lenght: 3ft 6in / 106cm, tail: 3ft 6in / 105cm
  • Weight: 38 lbs / 17kg
  • Build: playful, caring, competitive
  • Currently: friendly and full of fun - love chocolate chip cookies!
Re: The Snack Den
« Reply #23422 on: December 04, 2016, 12:23:04 AM »
would have been the easiest time to tickle or lick the paws
did promised not to touch them as long as I have my dragon-self


can't nom the left ear, so I'll do the next thing I love
*starts tapping and messing around with the fluffy wagging tail*
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Vay, female, Vaporeon, New York CIty, New York
Joseph, male, Jolteon, Kansas City, Missouri
Aaron, male, Flareon, McMinnville, Oregon
Arval, male, Umbreon,  San Francisco, California
Jyo, male, Espeon, Seattle, Washington
Linette, female, Leafeon, Biloxi, Mississippi
Grace, female, Glaceon, Minneapolis, Minnesota
Sherrie, female, Sylveon, Las Vegas, Nevada

8 opposite gender mates:
Leonardo, male, Vaporeon, Venice, Italy
Robyn, female, Jolteon, Bridgetown, Barbados
Fleur, female, Flareon, Marseille, France
Aycan, female, Umbreon, Istanbul, turkey
Elise, female, Espeon, Basseterre, St. Kitts-Nevis
Zoran, male, Leafeon, Velez, North Macedonia
Florian, male, Glaceon, Craiova, Romania
Seth, male, Sylveon, Ashgabath, Turkmenistan

My other supporting sonas:
Charlene - Bobby - Marrie - Milo - Vanessa - Zoey - Jeremy -Yana - Kumar - Francine - Rorch - Marvinne - Darsha

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Re: The Snack Den
« Reply #23423 on: December 04, 2016, 12:34:54 AM »
* start moving movingz my tailz trying to try escaepz teh tapping and messing as my face in teh cake *  XP

* thens starts trying to wiggle out but turns out is actually stuck in it *   XD
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Everything comes from nothing
Everything is something
So just let it all keep happening

Don't be a means to someone's end
It's all just beginning why can't we extend
An invitation to every hand

All hands can clap
All hearts are beating equally
The pulls of the air we're breathing

If we can believe in one part of it
Then we can believe in all of it
So don't stop
Don't stop the party

Offline Firox

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  • Species: Red Fox *Flareon*
  • Coloring: Main fur red, do have fluffy yellow fur on head tuft, mane, and tail, dark red inside ears
  • Height: 3ft / 91 cm, lenght: 3ft 6in / 106cm, tail: 3ft 6in / 105cm
  • Weight: 38 lbs / 17kg
  • Build: playful, caring, competitive
  • Currently: friendly and full of fun - love chocolate chip cookies!
Re: The Snack Den
« Reply #23424 on: December 04, 2016, 12:42:36 AM »
needz some help Vee?


*lightly pulls you out and sets you on top of the cake, on top of a large stwabewwy - then I decides to fly around*
so happy you enjoyz the cake



*flies around happily, watching all the furs below me either nomming, sleeping, or having fun*


*smiles while watching from above, does a few loops in the air*
heyz! dis is so much fun!


*along the way, starts getting itchy near my tail tip - instead of flying down to scratch, decides to scratch it in mid air, which turned out kind of bad idea, in doing so flies faster and higher trying to catch my tail with front paws it must look very funny from furs watching below super fast loops in mid air, does and starts scratching with my left paw - loud bump! low yelp probably not noticeable hits the roof of the den*


*makes the fainted eyes, falls on the floor, just behind the couch, not moving for a while, just a big aching bruise/bump on the top of my head, and two small scratches on my tail from my own claws, won't feelz them until I gets up from the floor*
I still hasn't learned that the den's roof is kind of short to fly around higher or very fast
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Vay, female, Vaporeon, New York CIty, New York
Joseph, male, Jolteon, Kansas City, Missouri
Aaron, male, Flareon, McMinnville, Oregon
Arval, male, Umbreon,  San Francisco, California
Jyo, male, Espeon, Seattle, Washington
Linette, female, Leafeon, Biloxi, Mississippi
Grace, female, Glaceon, Minneapolis, Minnesota
Sherrie, female, Sylveon, Las Vegas, Nevada

8 opposite gender mates:
Leonardo, male, Vaporeon, Venice, Italy
Robyn, female, Jolteon, Bridgetown, Barbados
Fleur, female, Flareon, Marseille, France
Aycan, female, Umbreon, Istanbul, turkey
Elise, female, Espeon, Basseterre, St. Kitts-Nevis
Zoran, male, Leafeon, Velez, North Macedonia
Florian, male, Glaceon, Craiova, Romania
Seth, male, Sylveon, Ashgabath, Turkmenistan

My other supporting sonas:
Charlene - Bobby - Marrie - Milo - Vanessa - Zoey - Jeremy -Yana - Kumar - Francine - Rorch - Marvinne - Darsha

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Re: The Snack Den
« Reply #23425 on: December 04, 2016, 12:48:03 AM »
hehe thankz yew, it was vewy yummy!! wuvz itz so much  * nuzzles at yew when you are close, lies on back on teh cake and holds the strawberries between my paws nibble on it *  :P


* lookz looks over at Firox * yew okayz, Firwoxz?  :o
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Everything comes from nothing
Everything is something
So just let it all keep happening

Don't be a means to someone's end
It's all just beginning why can't we extend
An invitation to every hand

All hands can clap
All hearts are beating equally
The pulls of the air we're breathing

If we can believe in one part of it
Then we can believe in all of it
So don't stop
Don't stop the party

Offline Fuzzpaws

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  • Height: big... a little over 40" at shoulders when 4 footing, over 6' standing
  • Weight: 190 +
  • Build: like a very healthy, active wolf should look!
  • Reference: [link]
  • Currently: learning... so much to learn!
Re: The Snack Den
« Reply #23426 on: December 04, 2016, 12:49:50 AM »
Pads over quickly and checks on Firox... "You okay?" Not moving but breathing, bump on head starting to show.. goes and gets a towel adn some ice (makes icepack), pads back and puts it gently on the head bump...


Sits waiting to make sure you are ok
Fuzzpaws the Wolf (temporarily)


(2 spirits, one body, one mind shared by both
Apache's call it Naake ni)

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Offline Firox

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  • Posts: 28428
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  • Species: Red Fox *Flareon*
  • Coloring: Main fur red, do have fluffy yellow fur on head tuft, mane, and tail, dark red inside ears
  • Height: 3ft / 91 cm, lenght: 3ft 6in / 106cm, tail: 3ft 6in / 105cm
  • Weight: 38 lbs / 17kg
  • Build: playful, caring, competitive
  • Currently: friendly and full of fun - love chocolate chip cookies!
Re: The Snack Den
« Reply #23427 on: December 04, 2016, 12:55:01 AM »
 x_x -.-
*still passed out for a few minutes longer*


*wakes up a few seconds later - rubs head*
whatz happened! must have bumped into the roof again
keeps forgetting it's not high enough


thanks Naake, the icepack helps
*two furs are on front, so the big slightly bluish bruise is noticeable from the white fur*
« Last Edit: December 04, 2016, 12:56:52 AM by Firox »
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Vay, female, Vaporeon, New York CIty, New York
Joseph, male, Jolteon, Kansas City, Missouri
Aaron, male, Flareon, McMinnville, Oregon
Arval, male, Umbreon,  San Francisco, California
Jyo, male, Espeon, Seattle, Washington
Linette, female, Leafeon, Biloxi, Mississippi
Grace, female, Glaceon, Minneapolis, Minnesota
Sherrie, female, Sylveon, Las Vegas, Nevada

8 opposite gender mates:
Leonardo, male, Vaporeon, Venice, Italy
Robyn, female, Jolteon, Bridgetown, Barbados
Fleur, female, Flareon, Marseille, France
Aycan, female, Umbreon, Istanbul, turkey
Elise, female, Espeon, Basseterre, St. Kitts-Nevis
Zoran, male, Leafeon, Velez, North Macedonia
Florian, male, Glaceon, Craiova, Romania
Seth, male, Sylveon, Ashgabath, Turkmenistan

My other supporting sonas:
Charlene - Bobby - Marrie - Milo - Vanessa - Zoey - Jeremy -Yana - Kumar - Francine - Rorch - Marvinne - Darsha

Offline ?

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  • Height: 1'
  • Weight: 14.1 lbs
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Re: The Snack Den
« Reply #23428 on: December 04, 2016, 12:58:45 AM »
* lookz over at Naake * is he okayz?  :S
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Everything comes from nothing
Everything is something
So just let it all keep happening

Don't be a means to someone's end
It's all just beginning why can't we extend
An invitation to every hand

All hands can clap
All hearts are beating equally
The pulls of the air we're breathing

If we can believe in one part of it
Then we can believe in all of it
So don't stop
Don't stop the party

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  • Gender: Male
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  • Species: Feral Wolf
  • Coloring: White with black and grey frosting, generally a Native American feather dangle from one ear.
  • Height: big... a little over 40" at shoulders when 4 footing, over 6' standing
  • Weight: 190 +
  • Build: like a very healthy, active wolf should look!
  • Reference: [link]
  • Currently: learning... so much to learn!
Re: The Snack Den
« Reply #23429 on: December 04, 2016, 01:01:08 AM »
"Just woke up, little groggy, and heck of a bump, but will be okay as long as he stops flying into the ceiling...  :| "


Helps Firox up and stays beside as they walk over to Vee.


"Can I get you anything?"



Fuzzpaws the Wolf (temporarily)


(2 spirits, one body, one mind shared by both
Apache's call it Naake ni)

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