Furry Hatred

[BennyJackdaw]

Right, but saying that I'm "not a real furry" is so much better than being the worst kind of furry.

You are literally taking me saying "This is the developers, not us" and saying "IT IS YOU, IT IS YOU. YOU'RE MAKING EXCUSES FOR DEVELOPERS SO YOU'RE JUST AS BAD (If not worse) AS THEM." You *wonder* why you're treated like that, if that's how you're going to respond to anyone that has a counterargument to what you're saying?

And no, it is that we don't see eye to eye. I could say a ton of things positive about anthros being in games, but I would most likely just be reiterating what has been already said, and *not adding to the conversation.*

And I'm sorry, can you tell me where I said that humans are the absolute good in media? You seriously need to figure out who you are gonna focus that frustration on, because focusing it on *furries* in a *furry fandom* that *understand where the issues come from* really isn't gonna help you.

If people never have anything positive to say about furries without saying something negative, what am I supposed to think?

But you ARE making excuses. And again, you're adding to the frustration of never being able to get an interesting game by saying these things.

That has nothing to do with it. Plus, you're not adding anything by saying all the negative things that have already been said, especially when there are positive things that haven't been said yet because people are too busy being negative.

You're telling me that devs shouldn't waste the time making something original instead of "humans are the absolute good" type stories because of what you think the media is willing to make. You keep saying "it's the media, not us," yet you're ALSO justifying those ideals, which in a way isn't much better.

Again, I'm trying to be a goodguy. Being told I'm "the worst kind of furry" is just making me feel depressed. How would you feel if I just stopped posting and died because I've lost any self worth after being told "I'm the worst kind of furry?" You think that feels fun? I'm not trying to insult you guys just because I'm pointing out that you're being too negative.

NO. Holy crap, can you actually read what I write, instead of read what you THINK I am writing?

I AM NOT SAYING DEVS SHOULD NOT WASTE THE TIME. I AM SAYING DEVS MOST LIKELY SEE IT AS A WASTE OF TIME.

TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS.

COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

I am NOT JUSTIFYING THEM, I am trying to say I'M NOT THE ONE WHO THINKS IT, THEY ARE.

I'm done. I'm done trying to argue with you because you will continue to FILL MY MOUTH WITH LITERAL GARBAGE THAT I AM NOT SAYING I AGREE WITH.

You have literally "justified" anything I could say in regards to any grievance with furries that I could post on here, as to what I could have a problem with them for. In fact, people in general. Literally, my hatred for people in general is summed up in the way you've handled this entire discussion.

Thank you for doing nothing but reading what you want to believe I think/am saying.

Oh my god!

I am TRYING to see what you are saying. I am trying my ****ed hardest to. You keep telling me "I'm not saying they shouldn't try," yet you keep telling me why they don't without giving any reason why they possibly should. Yes, I get you are not TRYING to say you think it's a waste of time, but at the same time that is how you're coming off as. Even though you're TRYING to say one thing, you end up saying something else. Do you not see this? I'm sorry if I'm pissing you off by pointing this out, but I'm not trying to.

Again, you're making me feel terrible, almost suicidal right now really. You're making me feel like such a terrible person that I'm losing any self worth through this. Look, I'm sorry if I'm not getting what you're trying to say, but I still don't appreciate the things you're saying about me.

[Nrein]

I'm sorry that my not agreeing with you is making you feel like that, but pointing it out isn't going to make me change my position at all on the matter :V

I don't care how I "come off" to you, what I am literally saying is that the *devs* most likely feel that way, not that *I* do. Not once did I *say* "I think it's a waste of time*, so you literally can not say that I am saying anything else than what I have.

I'm done discussing it. You say you're "trying" to see it but, no, you aren't. You don't want to, because you don't want to have any reason to acknowledge anything that doesn't support what you want.

And honestly this has gone so far off topic that I hope it gets moderated so that the discussion can't continue. Honestly wish I had stopped ahead because it was pretty pointless :V

[ST-84 Sahelanthropus]

Tactical Hall Monitor Incoming

[Halei-Helai]

Agreed, let's please get back to the original topic.

[BennyJackdaw]

Agreed, let's please get back to the original topic.

Can I defend my case, first? I'm kind of depressed right now from what Nrein said.

I'm sorry that my not agreeing with you is making you feel like that, but pointing it out isn't going to make me change my position at all on the matter :V

I don't care how I "come off" to you, what I am literally saying is that the *devs* most likely feel that way, not that *I* do. Not once did I *say* "I think it's a waste of time*, so you literally can not say that I am saying anything else than what I have.

I'm done discussing it. You say you're "trying" to see it but, no, you aren't. You don't want to, because you don't want to have any reason to acknowledge anything that doesn't support what you want.

And honestly this has gone so far off topic that I hope it gets moderated so that the discussion can't continue. Honestly wish I had stopped ahead because it was pretty pointless :V

I keep telling you that's not it. I do see where you and everyone else is coming from, but a lot of it still feels like excuses on the devs part. It also kind of feels like you guys are kind of trying to justify it by zooming in on all the negatives instead of trying to see any counter-arguments on the matter.

[Nrein]

I have to say, I loved Zootopia, a lot. But I really almost wish furries would stop pandering it as Disney acknowledging the fandom.

I've seen so many articles lately taking advantage of this. I went on Yahoo, and there was an article talking about it, and then going on to say that "If this is true, then Disney must condone the already 100+ images of Zootopia Yiff that exist." With an actual link to Judy in a very revealing situation.

Sometimes I really do agree with the axiom "furries ruin everything" x.x

Sure that's just the media spinning things in a bad light but really, we do it to ourselves.

[BennyJackdaw]

I have to say, I loved Zootopia, a lot. But I really almost wish furries would stop pandering it as Disney acknowledging the fandom.

I've seen so many articles lately taking advantage of this. I went on Yahoo, and there was an article talking about it, and then going on to say that "If this is true, then Disney must condone the already 100+ images of Zootopia Yiff that exist." With an actual link to Judy in a very revealing situation.

Sometimes I really do agree with the axiom "furries ruin everything" x.x

Sure that's just the media spinning things in a bad light but really, we do it to ourselves.

That's the media exaggerating the furry side of it. Furries themselves are not trying to ruin anything.

[Nrein]

Trying=/=Doing it in general without realizing.

Ok I'm ejecting myself, I've had enough x.x

[BennyJackdaw]

Trying=/=Doing it in general without realizing.

Ok I'm ejecting myself, I've had enough x.x

You're kind of doing it again.

It really doesn't help that people are ranting about how furries are ruining everything. That in itself makes it out to seem worse than it really is. Furries aren't ruining things for you, you're ruining it for yourself in a way by letting it get to you.

[Nrein]

Actually I'm gonna do myself a favor and just stop posting or responding. There's no point anymore :V

[BennyJackdaw]

Get off this thread then, or ignore my posts.

Look, I'm sorry for trying to be positive. I'm sorry for trying to look at the good side. I'm sorry for not fixating on the bad side of the fandom. It's not that I deny the fact we have a bad side, I'm just not zooming in on the negative side of our fandom.

Sorry, I just hate being negative when it comes to furries. I hate seeing so much negativity about us. ...even from FURRIES no less. I'm sorry that I'm just trying to defend furries, I just don't like feeling like a terrible person because even furries want to be as negative about furries as possible, so of course I'm going to be defensive. Is that really wrong that I don't want to feel like a terrible person, so I try to see the bright side instead of the negative side all the time. I'm sorry if it feels like I'm jumping down your throat a lot, I just don't like being told by every person I meet, even people who are supposed to be furries, that you're a terrible person.

Look, I'm sorry for starting a fight, I just don't like having the furry hate follow me everywhere I go. But you're right, it's not my place to decide what people say or not. Please don't hate me.

[ST-84 Sahelanthropus]

<sub>I have to say, I loved Zootopia, a lot. But I really almost wish furries would stop pandering it as Disney acknowledging the fandom.

I've seen so many articles lately taking advantage of this. I went on Yahoo, and there was an article talking about it, and then going on to say that "If this is true, then Disney must condone the already 100+ images of Zootopia Yiff that exist." With an actual link to Judy in a very revealing situation.

Sometimes I really do agree with the axiom "furries ruin everything" x.x

Sure that's just the media spinning things in a bad light but really, we do it to ourselves</sub>.

I don't understand how someone can ruin something just by making adult material based on that something's characters, who's physical features and/or capabilities are found attractive by that someone.

(Sorry if that whole sentence is difficult to grasp, I swear English is my first and only language. Ugh that was a little bit of grammatical gymnastics...)

Going back to Mass Effect real quick, I really love the Geth. They're very highly intelligent and quick to process and relay information, super strong and tough, can endure extremes that most others species couldn't... plus I personally just like their looks. Would I be somehow ruining the Geth by drawing a one in a lewd position or whatever? What about non-furry pornographers, are they ruining Humans by making their products depicting Humans? I really don't think so, on both counts.

[Alessia Starfurr]

<sub>I have to say, I loved Zootopia, a lot. But I really almost wish furries would stop pandering it as Disney acknowledging the fandom.

I've seen so many articles lately taking advantage of this. I went on Yahoo, and there was an article talking about it, and then going on to say that "If this is true, then Disney must condone the already 100+ images of Zootopia Yiff that exist." With an actual link to Judy in a very revealing situation.

Sometimes I really do agree with the axiom "furries ruin everything" x.x

Sure that's just the media spinning things in a bad light but really, we do it to ourselves</sub>.

I don't understand how someone can ruin something just by making adult material based on that something's characters, who's physical features and/or capabilities are found attractive by that someone.

(Sorry if that whole sentence is difficult to grasp, I swear English is my first and only language. Ugh that was a little bit of grammatical gymnastics...)

Going back to Mass Effect real quick, I really love the Geth. They're very highly intelligent and quick to process and relay information, super strong and tough, can endure extremes that most others species couldn't... plus I personally just like their looks. Would I be somehow ruining the Geth by drawing a one in a lewd position or whatever? What about non-furry pornographers, are they ruining Humans by making their products depicting Humans? I really don't think so, on both counts.

There's so much common sense in this post, I swear.

i know I'm going into psychology or something here ,but nobody else can ruin something for you only you can ruin something for yourself. I fully agree that there are some Furries who do take things a little far ,but that does not bug me because I don't let it 'ruin' my own enjoyment of the furry fandom. (speaking of that is Furries or furry as in the fandom a proper noun by English standards?

[ST-84 Sahelanthropus]

Now, I can understand that idea of "ruining everything" if there's a really high percentage of people just drawing naughty Zootopia or whatever stuff just to annoy or disgust those who aren't interested in that kind of content, (that's kinda what I think the basis of rule thirty four is all about) I don't think that kinda thing is nearly as prevalent as furries who are legitimately interested in the characters.

There's so much common sense in this post, I swear.

Thanks, I guess.

I know I'm going into psychology or something here ,but nobody else can ruin something for you only you can ruin something for yourself. I fully agree that there are some Furries who do take things a little far ,but that does not bug me because I don't let it 'ruin' my own enjoyment of the furry fandom. (speaking of that is Furries or furry as in the fandom a proper noun by English standards?

I like that way of thinking. Also, I don't think either are technically proper nouns, but you might catch me capitalising them sometimes. Just like how I capitalise the names of species, like Wolf or Dragon or whatever. I do that intentionally and all the time though, even if it's probably something an English major might be critical of.

[BennyJackdaw]

<sub>I have to say, I loved Zootopia, a lot. But I really almost wish furries would stop pandering it as Disney acknowledging the fandom.

I've seen so many articles lately taking advantage of this. I went on Yahoo, and there was an article talking about it, and then going on to say that "If this is true, then Disney must condone the already 100+ images of Zootopia Yiff that exist." With an actual link to Judy in a very revealing situation.

Sometimes I really do agree with the axiom "furries ruin everything" x.x

Sure that's just the media spinning things in a bad light but really, we do it to ourselves</sub>.

I don't understand how someone can ruin something just by making adult material based on that something's characters, who's physical features and/or capabilities are found attractive by that someone.

(Sorry if that whole sentence is difficult to grasp, I swear English is my first and only language. Ugh that was a little bit of grammatical gymnastics...)

Going back to Mass Effect real quick, I really love the Geth. They're very highly intelligent and quick to process and relay information, super strong and tough, can endure extremes that most others species couldn't... plus I personally just like their looks. Would I be somehow ruining the Geth by drawing a one in a lewd position or whatever? What about non-furry pornographers, are they ruining Humans by making their products depicting Humans? I really don't think so, on both counts.

There's so much common sense in this post, I swear.

i know I'm going into psychology or something here ,but nobody else can ruin something for you only you can ruin something for yourself. I fully agree that there are some Furries who do take things a little far ,but that does not bug me because I don't let it 'ruin' my own enjoyment of the furry fandom. (speaking of that is Furries or furry as in the fandom a proper noun by English standards?

I am Benny Bunnycorn, and I approve this message.

I'm not sure if it is or not.