Furry Hatred

[The Past]

Thank you guys for keeping the discussion civil. It's nice to see a debate not turn into a flame war or locked/ taken down because of "hurt feels" for once.

[moonwolf101]

The one thing I never understood was how haters say "I searched up furries on Google and saw lots of porn" yet I myself, searched furries on Google and I just got people hanging out with friends in fursuits. So I have no idea where they're coming from. Course when was sex ever a bad thing? Sure it's abnormal to look at pictures of authors humping each other, but if someone likes looking at that stuff, does it really involve you? It's not hurting you so why treat it negatively? Just my thoughts.

[Alessia Starfurr]

The one thing I never understood was how haters say "I searched up furries on Google and saw lots of porn" yet I myself, searched furries on Google and I just got people hanging out with friends in fursuits. So I have no idea where they're coming from. Course when was sex ever a bad thing? Sure it's abnormal to look at pictures of authors humping each other, but if someone likes looking at that stuff, does it really involve you? It's not hurting you so why treat it negatively? Just my thoughts.

I can answer that in 3 words: Haters gonna hate.

[Halei-Helai]

The one thing I never understood was how haters say "I searched up furries on Google and saw lots of porn" yet I myself, searched furries on Google and I just got people hanging out with friends in fursuits. So I have no idea where they're coming from. Course when was sex ever a bad thing? Sure it's abnormal to look at pictures of authors humping each other, but if someone likes looking at that stuff, does it really involve you? It's not hurting you so why treat it negatively? Just my thoughts.

I agree with you to a point. Whatever porn people are looking at, I really don't care, and I don't really consider myself a prude. If an image or images gets somebody off, whatever, more power to them. If it makes them and/or their partner happy, who am I to judge? However, with all the furry porn littered all over the internet for everybody to see, this is almost akin to a furry's private self-stimulation session taking place in Times Square streamed live on CNN.


You wouldn't introduce yourself to somebody you haven't met before by saying, "hi there, let me tell you about my favorite 'toys.'" This is essentially what the furry community is doing with our current online presence. Maybe not because of you, certainly not because of me, but a lot of furries are and it reflects on us as a whole. Honestly it probably isn't even the porn that is the problem, just the lack of discretion with regards to people sharing it.

[The Past]

The one thing I never understood was how haters say "I searched up furries on Google and saw lots of porn" yet I myself, searched furries on Google and I just got people hanging out with friends in fursuits. So I have no idea where they're coming from. Course when was sex ever a bad thing? Sure it's abnormal to look at pictures of authors humping each other, but if someone likes looking at that stuff, does it really involve you? It's not hurting you so why treat it negatively? Just my thoughts.

I agree with you to a point. Whatever porn people are looking at, I really don't care, and I don't really consider myself a prude. If an image or images gets somebody off, whatever, more power to them. If it makes them and/or their partner happy, who am I to judge? However, with all the furry porn littered all over the internet for everybody to see, this is almost akin to a furry's private self-stimulation session taking place in Times Square streamed live on CNN.


You wouldn't introduce yourself to somebody you haven't met before by saying, "hi there, let me tell you about my favorite 'toys.'" This is essentially what the furry community is doing with our current online presence. Maybe not because of you, certainly not because of me, but a lot of furries are and it reflects on us as a whole. Honestly it probably isn't even the porn that is the problem, just the lack of discretion with regards to people sharing it.

This is exactly my view.

[ST-84 Sahelanthropus]

By "littered all over the Internet", I'm guessing you're referring to the drawings being found on image searching sites, and not on places like Fur Affinity.

I might not know exactly how search engines work, but I imagine they look around for keywords and stuff. So if someone looks on Google images for "Zootopia Fox" and winds up finding questionable stuff of him, it's the 'fault' of the engine getting those images from places like DeviantART, e621, and Weasyl thanks to the keywords beside those drawings.

The artists who draw those things and upload them to the aforementioned art sites only really intend for them to be found through searching and browsing on said art sites. I just can't realistically imagine a large number of us going around posting this stuff where nobody's asking for them, or perhaps doing something like Google bombing or whatever in order to get the adult content to the top results of searches. And if that really is something that some people do, how many of them are actually furries and not just Internet trolls attempting to shock people and trying to make us look bad?

[BennyJackdaw]

He has a point.

[Halei-Helai]

By "littered all over the Internet", I'm guessing you're referring to the drawings being found on image searching sites, and not on places like Fur Affinity.

I might not know exactly how search engines work, but I imagine they look around for keywords and stuff. So if someone looks on Google images for "Zootopia Fox" and winds up finding questionable stuff of him, it's the 'fault' of the engine getting those images from places like DeviantART, e621, and Weasyl thanks to the keywords beside those drawings.

The artists who draw those things and upload them to the aforementioned art sites only really intend for them to be found through searching and browsing on said art sites. I just can't realistically imagine a large number of us going around posting this stuff where nobody's asking for them, or perhaps doing something like Google bombing or whatever in order to get the adult content to the top results of searches. And if that really is something that some people do, how many of them are actually furries and not just Internet trolls attempting to shock people and trying to make us look bad?

I would agree with you if these images didn't pop up with very basic, innocuous Google image search terms. Most of the time they pop up in the first ten rows of results, usually more than once. Obviously I won't repeat what the terms are since I don't want to break any forum rules, but you don't have to go looking specifically for it to see it get plastered on your display. If somebody gets all curious and is like, "hmmm... I bet that kind of art would be cool/cute/neat/whatever" and sees things they can't unsee without intending to, you're going to get another person that subscribes to the view that "furries are in it for the sex." And really, with that kind of introductory experience, can you really blame them? First impressions, and all that.

[Angder]

By "littered all over the Internet", I'm guessing you're referring to the drawings being found on image searching sites, and not on places like Fur Affinity.

I might not know exactly how search engines work, but I imagine they look around for keywords and stuff. So if someone looks on Google images for "Zootopia Fox" and winds up finding questionable stuff of him, it's the 'fault' of the engine getting those images from places like DeviantART, e621, and Weasyl thanks to the keywords beside those drawings.

The artists who draw those things and upload them to the aforementioned art sites only really intend for them to be found through searching and browsing on said art sites. I just can't realistically imagine a large number of us going around posting this stuff where nobody's asking for them, or perhaps doing something like Google bombing or whatever in order to get the adult content to the top results of searches. And if that really is something that some people do, how many of them are actually furries and not just Internet trolls attempting to shock people and trying to make us look bad?

I would agree with you if these images didn't pop up with very basic, innocuous Google image search terms. Most of the time they pop up in the first ten rows of results, usually more than once. Obviously I won't repeat what the terms are since I don't want to break any forum rules, but you don't have to go looking specifically for it to see it get plastered on your display. If somebody gets all curious and is like, "hmmm... I bet that kind of art would be cool/cute/neat/whatever" and sees things they can't unsee without intending to, you're going to get another person that subscribes to the view that "furries are in it for the sex." And really, with that kind of introductory experience, can you really blame them? First impressions, and all that.

Worst part: some of these people then join the fandom, actually believing its purely about sex and "being deviant" (That second half is a quote from someone who made an account here BTW). Its not just outsiders who believe furry is a sex thing.

[Halei-Helai]

Worst part: some of these people then join the fandom, actually believing its purely about sex and "being deviant" (That second half is a quote from someone who made an account here BTW). Its not just outsiders who believe furry is a sex thing.

Then it becomes a self-sustaining cycle. Furries churn out porn and put it everywhere, sex-minded furries join the fandom for spank-fodder, furries then churn out more porn and put it everywhere. It is like the circle of life, only worse.


And yeah, I have seen many a thread started in the RP section by people obviously looking to get some. Again, not really judging that desire, but can't we get a little more discretion and a little more looking for venues that are more appropriate for that sort of thing?

[ST-84 Sahelanthropus]

I would agree with you if these images didn't pop up with very basic, innocuous Google image search terms. Most of the time they pop up in the first ten rows of results, usually more than once. Obviously I won't repeat what the terms are since I don't want to break any forum rules, but you don't have to go looking specifically for it to see it get plastered on your display. If somebody gets all curious and is like, "hmmm... I bet that kind of art would be cool/cute/neat/whatever" and sees things they can't unsee without intending to, you're going to get another person that subscribes to the view that "furries are in it for the sex." And really, with that kind of introductory experience, can you really blame them? First impressions, and all that.

Well, I still don't see how that's really anybody's fault. Unless somebody or some group of people intentionally manipulates Google search results in some way in order to make the most shocking things appear. I think it's just a side effect of search engine Spiders and algorithms and whatnot. The only way this problem would not happen is if furry artists never posted their stuff anywhere that Google Spiders can reach... which is pretty much everywhere, I think.

[BennyJackdaw]

Not to mention if people refuse to understand that furries aren't just sex perverts, then they've got problems themselves.

[Halei-Helai]

Not to mention if people refuse to understand that furries aren't just sex perverts, then they've got problems themselves.

People are going to make judgments about things based upon the evidence that they are given, even if the evidence is shaky at best. It is not like the whole "furries are pervs" thing came out of nowhere. If people are shown concrete evidence that furries aren't just in it to get their rocks off and still refuse to believe that, then I would consider it absolutely their problem. I do think things are getting better in that regard though, for what it is worth.

[BennyJackdaw]

Not to mention if people refuse to understand that furries aren't just sex perverts, then they've got problems themselves.

People are going to make judgments about things based upon the evidence that they are given, even if the evidence is shaky at best. It is not like the whole "furries are pervs" thing came out of nowhere. If people are shown concrete evidence that furries aren't just in it to get their rocks off and still refuse to believe that, then I would consider it absolutely their problem. I do think things are getting better in that regard though, for what it is worth.

I've always been kind of peaved by the whole "furries ruin everything," theory. To be honest, it feels like "only things with anthropomorphic goodguys are allowed to be ruined." This whole deal, in all honesty, kind of ruined a lot of things for me that DON'T involve anthropomorphic characters/have only anthropomorphic villains. Megaman X, Megaman Zero, Kid Icarus Uprising, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagan, The World Ends With You, I honestly have a large list of things. Is that wrong? People seem to think it's fine that "Furries" or "Wolfaboos" can ruin something, yet not right-wing huntaboos or humanaboos.