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Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
« on: May 02, 2016, 10:08:46 PM »
Everyone has ideas. So I thought it would be nice to have a place specifically about them. Here you can share your ideas and get opinions from others and have them share their own ideas. This thread is for free thinking, so nothing is off limits.

However:

I will NOT have people insulting one another because of what they believe. And I will report you personally if I believe that is happening.

So let's get started shall we? I'll go first:

So you know how houses with security systems have a sign that says "this house is secured by----" Well what if someone took that sign and put it in front of their house? He wouldn't be hurting the other one because they HAVE a security system. And he'd be helping himself because he DOESN'T have the system. So what's the harm? Other than stealing of course, but what's he stealing? Not the system, just the sign that came with it.
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Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2016, 08:33:44 PM »
You know something else I just came up with? They have these teeth cleaning treats for dogs, and I wonder why they don't have those for people. It sounds pretty easy.
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Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2016, 10:04:11 PM »
That's a nice thought Michen. I think people have bucket lists to make sure they don't waste their lives. But life doesn't work that way. Instead you should just enjoy each and every moment you have.
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Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2016, 10:23:27 PM »
That is true... life sucks sometimes...
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Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2016, 03:36:09 AM »
How is it people don't go crazy? Many people have the ability to kill other people but yet they don't? Almost everyone has the ability to commit genocide (frisk ;3<) I personally don't want to kill people if it was legal i would live with the life long guilt of a life wasted. What do you guys think?
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Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2016, 08:19:23 AM »
In my opinion an objective truth about our universe can never be provable and thus it is irrelevant.

  Consider this, we have an observer inside the universe O that is subject to the laws of the universe, which we will deem as a bias B. For any question X asked in the universe, in order for O to answer X, O must answer subject to the constraint of his bias in B, thus whether or not O's answer to X is true cannot be shown unless the bias B is unconstrained, or many such O exist such that all bias B are considered (in which it can be derived the answer to X). In our universe the bias B is a continuous set, it includes things such as location, informational bias, sensory bias, processing bias and for living sentient creatures things such as psychological bias and social bias, each bias is itself continuous and thus can contain an infinite amount of values, or at the very list a number of values so large that the laws of the universe actually prohibit any sensible quantity of things to occupy all different bias combinations. Because of this we say that the latter option (occupying all possible bias to answer any question X) is impossible. We also say that because we are contained within our universe, any question that is asked of us that describes our universe will inevitably, and certainly, exhibit a bias based on the universal laws. So thus we say the former (have B unconstrained) must also be impossible so long as we remain in our own universe.

  SO thus, no answers can be truly known with certainty about anything. Lets talk about a few counter examples that most people like to come up with.

  The first counter example is this, if nothing can be proven to be true, how can you prove that the statement "nothing is true" is true? The answer is you can't, my proof underlies an important assumption impossible to prove. The assumption that any bias B will augment an answer to any question X such that the answer to X after constrained by the bias B is different from the original answer of X. Whether this is true is unknown and I feel it is impossible to prove because in order to prove it, one requires knowing the original answer of X, which we've shown at least within this post is impossible. It creates a cyclic argument, which is expected from Godel's Incompleteness theorem which states that no complete model of the universe can ever be consistent and vice versa. Therefore, it is actually impossible to prove whether it's impossible to prove stuff! So possibly this theory is wrong but whether or not it is, is forever out of our grasp.

  The second counter example is that of mathematical proofs. I have been very specific to say that it is impossible to prove any truth of our universe as we are constrained by the bias's of our universe. However, we create a brand new universe when we talk about mathematics, a universe with constraints and biases that do not apply to us, because they do not apply to us we don't follow the same rhetoric as in the case of a question about our universe. Basically in a nutshell, we invented mathematics with a series of rigorous assumptions, given that we are outside observers to mathematics and we have defined these assumptions (axioms) rigorously, then we can in fact prove with certainty mathematical truths about the mathematical world, while still never being able to prove with certainty truths of our own word.


So tl;dr:
  We can't prove any truths of our universe, we can't even prove that we can't prove stuff.

 
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Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2016, 10:36:29 AM »
Here's something to think about.

What would happen if Pinocchio said "my nose will grow now"? Would he be lying? If it grew then he would be telling the truth. If not he'd get away with telling a lie.

My theory is that if he said that, he would explode.
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Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2016, 01:26:15 PM »
I've done the math and we spend (roughly) two straight years in primary school. Then with four years of college that's gonna add roughly another half year. After all this time I have barely retained most of this info. I'm not saying we don't need school but I mean this is a bit much.
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Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2016, 02:20:59 AM »
Here's something to think about.

What would happen if Pinocchio said "my nose will grow now"? Would he be lying? If it grew then he would be telling the truth. If not he'd get away with telling a lie.

My theory is that if he said that, he would explode.
Actually it would not do anything because paradoxes have no true answer.
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Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2016, 11:07:07 AM »
So he'd get away with lying then? That makes sense. And it's a lot less messy than an explosion.
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Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2016, 11:37:28 AM »
Well I always considered pinocchio was considered like a lie detector. Like it doesn't actually tell you whether pinocchio is TELLING the truth, it says whether pinocchio was telling what he believed was the truth. Like, pinocchio can make a mistake and his nose won't grow as long as he believed it was true.

So in this case, pinocchio states that "My nose will grow", if he believes his nose will truly grow, then it would still cause a paradox. Cause it doesn't matter if the paradox has an inherent truth in it, it matters if pinocchio believes his noes will grow.

I'm willing to err on the side that his nose would in fact grow, because if he didn't believe his nose would actually grow, then it'd grow. And if he does believe his nose will grow, then it won't necessarily grow but I would say in order to avoid a paradox and to keep pinocchio from lying, the nose would still grow. That's just my little fix to the solution haha.
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Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2016, 06:51:39 PM »
Well I guess that settles it then. Anoni is definitely one of the smartest furs here. You know they say that being smart actually makes you dumber... I don't fully understand it but that's what they say...
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Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2016, 09:57:36 PM »
*pours gasoline all over pinocchio* there
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Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2016, 05:53:35 PM »
Baking soda is weird: it's practically soap, we use it to clean everything. And we still use it to bake on occasion. Pretty weird, but also kinda cool.
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Re: Furlosophy: A Thinking Thread
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We are the only animals that pay to live on this planet... Pretty pathetic.

 

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