Are you kidding me

[Rocco Rex]

This is nuts. **censor** nuts. Found an article. After the last attacks in London, a photo is going around and they're calling one of the guys "the embodiment of the British spirit". And what, you might ask, is he doing that represents the UK? Running towards the injured? Standing guard against a second wave? Desperately trying to save another human's life? Trying to help grieving family members? No. He's running away holding a **censor** glass of alcohol. And that's the **censor** embodiment of British spirit!?!
This isn't a rant about the UK. It's about any fucktards that think that should represent the UK. Or any country for that matter. I may be an American, but this is ridiculous. They shouldn't be glorifying him, the people who deserve honor and glory are the people who ran towards the chaos. The people defending against a second wave. The people trying to save lives and limbs. The people who wake up every **censor** day and go to work putting their lives on the line.
Has it seriously gotten this bad already? That we glorify people running? When people are killing you, you don't let it become normal. You **censor** kill them. You hunt down threats. You expel some threats from your country. You find a way to stop the threat. You find a way to keep your people alive. People shouldn't just be reading about what has become all too often, they should be attempting to stop it. Instead, in who knows how long, days, weeks, month or two, there will be more attacks. And the cycle will repeat. People die, people go boo **censor** hoo over it, and forget about it and wait for the cycle to repeat.



And now I find an article. There were common folks throwing stuff up to chairs at the terrorists. One cop armed only with a baton took on one of the terrorists and got stabbed. Why aren't THEY the ones being called the embodiment of British spirit

[Malina]

I think it was irony more than anything, even when terrorists try to disrupt our lives, we obey the police's orders but life is still happening, so if I'm having a pint I'm going to keep having it (especially considering the prices in London, it would be throwing away lots of money ).
There's a spotlight on him because he's not giving in to the terrorists trying to disrupt his life; he's just doing what he'd normally do on a Saturday night.Yeah it's really sad that so many people have died, but at the end of the day they're trying to divide us and I like to think we won't have that, hence why he hasn't let go of his beer. It symbolises the attitude that terrorism won't divide us.


It's incredible what the emergency crews are doing in response to this, they're assuring that we're safe whilst still being friendly and approachable (ie the armed cops I've seen have all been friendly and smiles), and I know we all respect them immensely. But life shouldn't be halted because someone drove a van into a crowd: that'd be giving into them.


It's kinda like the #ThingsThatLeaveBritainReeling hashtag on twitter: the very british problems that leave us reeling are still here, life is continuing whilst our government is working to stop this. Terrorism doesn't have a grasp on our lives.

[MrRazot]

Keep calm and Carry on
That's the embodiment of British Spirit


Thing about the British is that it was probably just dark humour. Lumix lays it down exactly how it should be perceived.
Perhaps it's the difference between brits and the yanks.

[Ventus Fall]

I agree with Lumix and Razot here.

If we'd focus on people killing other people, we're getting nowhere.
What terrorists do isn't good, but we shouldn't focus on that. We move on. Right now "One Live Manchester" is live and even after these attacks people go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9yak899MUs
You can see it still 'hits' them what happened, but they're partying, enjoying their time. If we show it bothered us these attacks, they're winning.

Anyways, I'd much rather just sip my tea instead of my beer

[Captain Degenerate]

This is nuts. **censor** nuts. Found an article. After the last attacks in London, a photo is going around and they're calling one of the guys "the embodiment of the British spirit". And what, you might ask, is he doing that represents the UK? Running towards the injured? Standing guard against a second wave? Desperately trying to save another human's life? Trying to help grieving family members? No. He's running away holding a **censor** glass of alcohol. And that's the **censor** embodiment of British spirit!?!
This isn't a rant about the UK. It's about any fucktards that think that should represent the UK. Or any country for that matter. I may be an American, but this is ridiculous. They shouldn't be glorifying him, the people who deserve honor and glory are the people who ran towards the chaos. The people defending against a second wave. The people trying to save lives and limbs. The people who wake up every **censor** day and go to work putting their lives on the line.
Has it seriously gotten this bad already? That we glorify people running? When people are killing you, you don't let it become normal. You **censor** kill them. You hunt down threats. You expel some threats from your country. You find a way to stop the threat. You find a way to keep your people alive. People shouldn't just be reading about what has become all too often, they should be attempting to stop it. Instead, in who knows how long, days, weeks, month or two, there will be more attacks. And the cycle will repeat. People die, people go boo **censor** hoo over it, and forget about it and wait for the cycle to repeat.



And now I find an article. There were common folks throwing stuff up to chairs at the terrorists. One cop armed only with a baton took on one of the terrorists and got stabbed. Why aren't THEY the ones being called the embodiment of British spirit

I think it's probably mocking of lack of aggression from Authority toward these attacks. so far it's been more calls for not blaming or offending Muslims or sentimental bullshit like "our will is not broken" rather then criticizing Islam itself or vowing to protect England.


The west has grown weak in reaction my opinion which is just going to lead to great aggression when a generation of people grow to resent you can see it already globalism is failing I reckon I'll live to see the day England is waving flash in the pans and kicking Muslim skulls in. For better or worse.


Post Merge: June 05, 2017, 02:17:13 AM

I agree with Lumix and Razot here.

If we'd focus on people killing other people, we're getting nowhere.
What terrorists do isn't good, but we shouldn't focus on that. We move on. Right now "One Live Manchester" is live and even after these attacks people go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9yak899MUs
You can see it still 'hits' them what happened, but they're partying, enjoying their time. If we show it bothered us these attacks, they're winning.

Anyways, I'd much rather just sip my tea instead of my beer

And keep letting it happen with no attempt to actually do anything but say nice words like our will is not broken and tolerate Islam?


That simply wont do. Unless you want a Generation of Brits in 10 or 20 years waving Flash in the pans and cheering at the murder of Muslims (I don't like Muslims and even I'm not quite that extreme yet) all these nice words of keep going on and live with being murdered and attacked wont do anything to stem the explosion once England reaches the frustration threshold. And who the hell can blame England or Europe if it does strike violently against Islam? Islam is completely opposed to you're culture.


Instead of putting out balloons nice words and Teddy Bears for the dead defend your people your peoples needs and your way of life stop bending over backwards to please people who would do no such thing for you in there own nations. Why is England so opposed to this? Guilt over the Empire? at least just quit preaching this pacifist trash I've heard it a dozen times since the Manchester bombing.   


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/688662/Theresa-May-Sharia-Law-inquiry-Prime-Minister-leader-conservative-party-downing-street

[Ventus Fall]

I agree with Lumix and Razot here.

If we'd focus on people killing other people, we're getting nowhere.
What terrorists do isn't good, but we shouldn't focus on that. We move on. Right now "One Live Manchester" is live and even after these attacks people go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9yak899MUs
You can see it still 'hits' them what happened, but they're partying, enjoying their time. If we show it bothered us these attacks, they're winning.

Anyways, I'd much rather just sip my tea instead of my beer

And keep letting it happen with no attempt to actually do anything but say nice words like our will is not broken and tolerate Islam?


That simply wont do. Unless you want a Generation of Brits in 10 or 20 years waving Flash in the pans and cheering at the murder of Muslims (I don't like Muslims and even I'm not quite that extreme yet) all these nice words of keep going on and live with being murdered and attacked wont do anything to stem the explosion once England reaches the frustration threshold. And who the hell can blame England or Europe if it does strike violently against Islam? Islam is completely opposed to you're culture.


Instead of putting out balloons nice words and Teddy Bears for the dead defend your people your peoples needs and your way of life stop bending over backwards to please people who would do no such thing for you in there own nations. Why is England so opposed to this? Guilt over the Empire? at least just quit preaching this pacifist trash I've heard it a dozen times since the Manchester bombing.   

(...)

I guess my post wasn't entirely clear or you misunderstood what I wrote. I said what they (the terrorists) are doing isn't good. I'm not saying nothing should be done about it.
You are poorly mistaken if you think I approve of attacks and not doing anything about it.
I said to not focus on the attacks. Focussing on it brings panic and fear, which is exactly what seems to be happening here as well right now. It is what they want, as soon as we show fear we might as well give up. How many wars have been won by the other side simply cowering in fear? I can tell you that is quite a huge number, dating all the way back to Ancient times, perhaps even Prehistoric times.
Yes, we should fight against people who dare bring harm to others. Be it islamic extremists, white serial killers or whatever background or ethnicity or form of extremity. That should make no difference.

Do you think they're happy to see straight after an attack people continuing with their lives? ... HECK! Not one attack, but two attacks! Even one day prior to the One Love Manchester event there was an attack!
What they want is for us to cower in fear, stop with our events, stop being happy and moving on.
You want people to not do this and to stay indoors?
That's not going to stop the attacks.
There are already people out there fighting for the safety of millions of people. For the UK, USA, Europe, and many other countries.
If we'd wallow in grief and unhappiness, terror and sadness, then they won.
It's already mentioned daily people protecting the (western) countries, police forces, the army, etc.

But what hits them back the hardest while the fighting is still going on?
Showing media about fighting?
Compare it to perhaps a more closer, real-life situation:
You (generalising, not 'you' specifically) would want someone to be unhappy, so you try to do something to them to make them unhappy. The same day you see they're hanging out with friends, having the best party of their lives.
Now I can't speak for you personally, but I know that many people would be utmost furiously flaming to see the person they wanted to be hurt is enjoying their time, that whatever they tried to do to upset them or harm them hasn't seemed to effect this other person's life whatsoever.
It's psychological. It's not that nothing is being done, battles are being thought by highly trained people. Whether or not they will 'win', I cannot say. But the fighting? That's those people's jobs.
The 'job' of the general public? Moving on. Enjoying life. Keep doong what they have been doing. Not staying couped up in their homes, fearing when the next attack will be.
That is inevitably going to happen, so you might as well go out and enjoy.

[Captain Degenerate]

I agree with Lumix and Razot here.

If we'd focus on people killing other people, we're getting nowhere.
What terrorists do isn't good, but we shouldn't focus on that. We move on. Right now "One Live Manchester" is live and even after these attacks people go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9yak899MUs
You can see it still 'hits' them what happened, but they're partying, enjoying their time. If we show it bothered us these attacks, they're winning.

Anyways, I'd much rather just sip my tea instead of my beer

And keep letting it happen with no attempt to actually do anything but say nice words like our will is not broken and tolerate Islam?


That simply wont do. Unless you want a Generation of Brits in 10 or 20 years waving Flash in the pans and cheering at the murder of Muslims (I don't like Muslims and even I'm not quite that extreme yet) all these nice words of keep going on and live with being murdered and attacked wont do anything to stem the explosion once England reaches the frustration threshold. And who the hell can blame England or Europe if it does strike violently against Islam? Islam is completely opposed to you're culture.


Instead of putting out balloons nice words and Teddy Bears for the dead defend your people your peoples needs and your way of life stop bending over backwards to please people who would do no such thing for you in there own nations. Why is England so opposed to this? Guilt over the Empire? at least just quit preaching this pacifist trash I've heard it a dozen times since the Manchester bombing.   

(...)

I guess my post wasn't entirely clear or you misunderstood what I wrote. I said what they (the terrorists) are doing isn't good. I'm not saying nothing should be done about it.
You are poorly mistaken if you think I approve of attacks and not doing anything about it.
I said to not focus on the attacks. Focussing on it brings panic and fear, which is exactly what seems to be happening here as well right now. It is what they want, as soon as we show fear we might as well give up. How many wars have been won by the other side simply cowering in fear? I can tell you that is quite a huge number, dating all the way back to Ancient times, perhaps even Prehistoric times.
Yes, we should fight against people who dare bring harm to others. Be it islamic extremists, white serial killers or whatever background or ethnicity or form of extremity. That should make no difference.

Do you think they're happy to see straight after an attack people continuing with their lives? ... HECK! Not one attack, but two attacks! Even one day prior to the One Love Manchester event there was an attack!
What they want is for us to cower in fear, stop with our events, stop being happy and moving on.
You want people to not do this and to stay indoors?
That's not going to stop the attacks.
There are already people out there fighting for the safety of millions of people. For the UK, USA, Europe, and many other countries.
If we'd wallow in grief and unhappiness, terror and sadness, then they won.
It's already mentioned daily people protecting the (western) countries, police forces, the army, etc.

But what hits them back the hardest while the fighting is still going on?
Showing media about fighting?
Compare it to perhaps a more closer, real-life situation:
You (generalising, not 'you' specifically) would want someone to be unhappy, so you try to do something to them to make them unhappy. The same day you see they're hanging out with friends, having the best party of their lives.
Now I can't speak for you personally, but I know that many people would be utmost furiously flaming to see the person they wanted to be hurt is enjoying their time, that whatever they tried to do to upset them or harm them hasn't seemed to effect this other person's life whatsoever.
It's psychological. It's not that nothing is being done, battles are being thought by highly trained people. Whether or not they will 'win', I cannot say. But the fighting? That's those people's jobs.
The 'job' of the general public? Moving on. Enjoying life. Keep doong what they have been doing. Not staying couped up in their homes, fearing when the next attack will be.
That is inevitably going to happen, so you might as well go out and enjoy.

Never said wallow in fear and unhappiness. But the average people need to have some pride and react with some damn aggression and start putting England first your gov is bending over backwards to please people who will not respect your nation laws or culture no matter how long they are there and who come there to breed like roaches and teach there children that the West is evil and will be replaced. This will continue to happen regardless of how much your government fights the obvious aggressors. if your gov continues to kiss ass to these degenerates and ship more in and keeps preaching this multiculturalism without limits trash you will be replaced what will happen when the Sharia courts there start demanding more power? What about when they start demanding sharia districts is that acceptable?  WHY THE HELL DOES ENGLAND EVEN ALLOW SUCH A THING?


You can win all you want against the obvious aggressors but you will still be slowly replaced morally and culturally and believe me the Muslims do not share any of your views and I'm tired of hearing about the 1% of Muslims who actually speak out against the terrorists as if that is enough to justify letting millions who have no education and no skills in.

[Malina]

what will happen when the Sharia courts there start demanding more power? What about when they start demanding sharia districts is that acceptable?  WHY THE HELL DOES ENGLAND EVEN ALLOW SUCH A THING?

Don't wanna get too involved in this but when has the British government ever allowed sharia courts to overrule a civil court ? If that happened I'm pretty sure UKIP would be in power by the end of the day. They exist to practise religious laws but have no power against the royal courts, eg if a couple wants a marriage orce, they'll have to go to a civil court to have it legally recognised, but a sharia court to have it recognised in Islam.
Of course there are ones who break the law by going against British law (and this does happen far too often) but I'm sure if they're reported they'd be dealt with effectively, as I've seen this done myself in the past


I admit I don't know a great deal about this so I urge people to do their own research about this. In the age of information we can end the hypodermic syringe theory, all it takes is a google search - especially when my Islamic friends feel nervous coming to school and feel the need to quote verses from the Qu'ran saying that Islam doesn't agree with what the terrorists are doing

[Captain Degenerate]

what will happen when the Sharia courts there start demanding more power? What about when they start demanding sharia districts is that acceptable?  WHY THE HELL DOES ENGLAND EVEN ALLOW SUCH A THING?

Don't wanna get too involved in this but when has the British government ever allowed sharia courts to overrule a civil court ? If that happened I'm pretty sure UKIP would be in power by the end of the day. They exist to practise religious laws but have no power against the royal courts, eg if a couple wants a marriage orce, they'll have to go to a civil court to have it legally recognised, but a sharia court to have it recognised in Islam.
Of course there are ones who break the law by going against British law (and this does happen far too often) but I'm sure if they're reported they'd be dealt with effectively, as I've seen this done myself in the past


I admit I don't know a great deal about this so I urge people to do their own research about this. In the age of information we can end the hypodermic syringe theory, all it takes is a google search - especially when my Islamic friends feel nervous coming to school and feel the need to quote verses from the Qu'ran saying that Islam doesn't agree with what the terrorists are doing

Yes as of now they have little power compared to English civil law what will you do when they start demanding more as they inevitably will? There should be no sharia courts at all. No other religion would get that much leeway.


I hate sharia law and I hate the people who support such a backwards corrupt system so maybe I'm biased.


And I dont believe any of that trash about Islam being peace loving it never was every other religion or culture they came into contact with with eventually lead to conflict perhaps those particular people want peace but they only hold onto Islam to avoid being alienated by there families Islam is no more peace loving than any other religion and history and there own teachings prove them to actually be less peace loving.

[Malina]

I agree that sharia law doesn't really have a place in western society; too discriminatory towards women and minorities, but if we take it away how is a muslim woman in an abusive relationship going to get a divorce recognised by Islam ? She'd have to fly back to a country where she probably isn't allowed to walk outside without her husband to finalise it. It doesn't matter if the UK courts do it, many muslims don't recognise that as 'enough' (which is another debate entirely)
We could argue that Anglicans get the most leeway here, seeing as that's the official state religion. Vicars don't need to go to courts to do marriages orces, they have the power to do it themselves. No other religion in the UK can do that

Islam may not necessarily be a peace loving nation but assuming every muslim is out to get you is just incorrect. A lot of them come with hopes for a new start and to prosper in a better country, but sadly a lot come with a war mindset where they're pissed at everything; they carry their culture and beliefs along with them nonetheless. I personally think that we should respect our differences but they should respect how their host country does things. I'm an immigrant myself and had to learn to conform with society whilst still recognising my heritage so I can understand it's a struggle to do so, especially coming from developing countries with more 'old fashioned' views on things.

(fgs this forum's formatting is ridiculous)

[Ventus Fall]

I'd advise if you're going to comment and try to bring something to the discussion, please write with proper grammar and spelling, but first and foremost to actually come with facts.
I didn't realise until now, but you say there are Sharia courts in the UK. There aren't.
They might have been wanting to press this to happen, but they haven't been getting what they want, unlike what you claim.
There have been many laws and regulations to actually restrict things that 'traditional' Muslims do or have been doing. Such as forbidding wearing clothing that covers a woman entirely (e.g. burqa).
If anything, the UK (not just England) has been having a lot of trouble with immigratin and setting up rules, laws and regulations because they were in the EU.
They stepped out and most cannot wait to actually bring a halt to immigration.

You say the UK seems to be bending over backwards. I disagree. To some extent everyone tries to see if the situation is solveable. I'm sure the UK has done so too.
However, the UK is not bending over backwards. The Netherlands? Absolutely. Just over the Channel, and yet completely different.
"UKnians" don't agree with something? Protests, outrage, change happens.
Dutch people disagree? Simply complaining, nothing really happens or changes. Well, not for the actual 'Dutch' people. There used to be a tradition there. Just before Christmas, called Sinterklaas. Now this might sound extremely odd to you, an American, a foreigner to Dutch culture, but this was a tradition showing basically a skinny Santa Clause. His helpers weren't elves but 'black people'. There isn't a clear lore, but these black people were either:
1) White poeple who travelled so much up and down the chimneys they simply turned black.
2) Black people who used to be slaves, but Sinterklaas freed them, by choice they decided to stay and help the 'old man'.

What changed?
No more black people are allowed in the tradition. It's become so politically-correct that even if a black person wanted to play as a 'Zwarte Piet', he's actually not allowed (yes, I've experienced this firsthand).
We have to now have white people who seem to have shit smeared on their faces (they're not allowed to show they're 'black') or fudging creepy-arse clowns.
Sorry for the poor semi-racist joke, but I'd much rather have a black person come down the chimney than a clown, no matter what the intent.
(For all intents and purposes: We have black neighbours and a couple of black friends as well in various places, all with different backgrounds, and most are simply furious how the loud minority has changed this tradition, as they didn't at all understand the tradition. Or as our neighbours say: "They should have kept Sinterklaas as it was. Period.")

As of which, I will respond to what you say about 'not wanting to hear anything about there being good Muslims/people following the Islam'.
You seem to forget this culture is 1,000 years behind. What did the Christians do 1,000 years ago?
Oh right. Crusades.
Using religion as an excuse to kill off entire groups of people. The same thing happening today. It was only a matter of time. The thing that only makes it worse is the media, ability to travel anywhere in the world, etc.

The people who are actually aware of this (being behind 1,000 years in development with growth about societal norms, values, etc. etc.), and who are in fact Islam or at least coming from Islamic countries, are indeed ashamed of this behaviour. Be it terrorism or otherwise. We have one family living across the street who came here a generation or two ago to fully integrate in Western society. As they said: "We decided to come to live here, so we should adapt to the culture here."
Which I fully agree with. You go to a different country, you adapt to that country, not the other way around.

However, this topic was about this image of a guy running around, seeming to party.
And that, is what I think should be shown.
As I said before, the main message here, as a reply to the original post:
The 'job' of the general public? Moving on. Enjoying life. Keep doing what they have been doing. Not staying couped up in their homes, fearing when the next attack will be.
That is inevitably going to happen, so you might as well go out and enjoy.

[Captain Degenerate]

I agree that sharia law doesn't really have a place in western society; too discriminatory towards women and minorities, but if we take it away how is a muslim woman in an abusive relationship going to get a divorce recognised by Islam ? She'd have to fly back to a country where she probably isn't allowed to walk outside without her husband to finalise it. It doesn't matter if the UK courts do it, many muslims don't recognise that as 'enough' (which is another debate entirely)
We could argue that Anglicans get the most leeway here, seeing as that's the official state religion. Vicars don't need to go to courts to do marriages orces, they have the power to do it themselves. No other religion in the UK can do that

Islam may not necessarily be a peace loving nation but assuming every muslim is out to get you is just incorrect. A lot of them come with hopes for a new start and to prosper in a better country, but sadly a lot come with a war mindset where they're pissed at everything; they carry their culture and beliefs along with them nonetheless. I personally think that we should respect our differences but they should respect how their host country does things. I'm an immigrant myself and had to learn to conform with society whilst still recognising my heritage so I can understand it's a struggle to do so, especially coming from developing countries with more 'old fashioned' views on things.

(fgs this forum's formatting is ridiculous)

I still do not like there backwards views and will do nothing to tolerate non westernized muslims I've seen them here they looked down upon us all wouldnt **censor** look you in the eye and seemed impatient to even talk to us barbaric americans I wont show them love and Im glad no more refugees come here.


Post Merge: June 05, 2017, 07:25:40 PM

I'd advise if you're going to comment and try to bring something to the discussion, please write with proper grammar and spelling, but first and foremost to actually come with facts.
I didn't realise until now, but you say there are Sharia courts in the UK. There aren't.
They might have been wanting to press this to happen, but they haven't been getting what they want, unlike what you claim.
There have been many laws and regulations to actually restrict things that 'traditional' Muslims do or have been doing. Such as forbidding wearing clothing that covers a woman entirely (e.g. burqa).
If anything, the UK (not just England) has been having a lot of trouble with immigratin and setting up rules, laws and regulations because they were in the EU.
They stepped out and most cannot wait to actually bring a halt to immigration.

You say the UK seems to be bending over backwards. I disagree. To some extent everyone tries to see if the situation is solveable. I'm sure the UK has done so too.
However, the UK is not bending over backwards. The Netherlands? Absolutely. Just over the Channel, and yet completely different.
"UKnians" don't agree with something? Protests, outrage, change happens.
Dutch people disagree? Simply complaining, nothing really happens or changes. Well, not for the actual 'Dutch' people. There used to be a tradition there. Just before Christmas, called Sinterklaas. Now this might sound extremely odd to you, an American, a foreigner to Dutch culture, but this was a tradition showing basically a skinny Santa Clause. His helpers weren't elves but 'black people'. There isn't a clear lore, but these black people were either:
1) White poeple who travelled so much up and down the chimneys they simply turned black.
2) Black people who used to be slaves, but Sinterklaas freed them, by choice they decided to stay and help the 'old man'.

What changed?
No more black people are allowed in the tradition. It's become so politically-correct that even if a black person wanted to play as a 'Zwarte Piet', he's actually not allowed (yes, I've experienced this firsthand).
We have to now have white people who seem to have shit smeared on their faces (they're not allowed to show they're 'black') or fudging creepy-arse clowns.
Sorry for the poor semi-racist joke, but I'd much rather have a black person come down the chimney than a clown, no matter what the intent.
(For all intents and purposes: We have black neighbours and a couple of black friends as well in various places, all with different backgrounds, and most are simply furious how the loud minority has changed this tradition, as they didn't at all understand the tradition. Or as our neighbours say: "They should have kept Sinterklaas as it was. Period.")

As of which, I will respond to what you say about 'not wanting to hear anything about there being good Muslims/people following the Islam'.
You seem to forget this culture is 1,000 years behind. What did the Christians do 1,000 years ago?
Oh right. Crusades.
Using religion as an excuse to kill off entire groups of people. The same thing happening today. It was only a matter of time. The thing that only makes it worse is the media, ability to travel anywhere in the world, etc.

The people who are actually aware of this (being behind 1,000 years in development with growth about societal norms, values, etc. etc.), and who are in fact Islam or at least coming from Islamic countries, are indeed ashamed of this behaviour. Be it terrorism or otherwise. We have one family living across the street who came here a generation or two ago to fully integrate in Western society. As they said: "We decided to come to live here, so we should adapt to the culture here."
Which I fully agree with. You go to a different country, you adapt to that country, not the other way around.

However, this topic was about this image of a guy running around, seeming to party.
And that, is what I think should be shown.
As I said before, the main message here, as a reply to the original post:
The 'job' of the general public? Moving on. Enjoying life. Keep doing what they have been doing. Not staying couped up in their homes, fearing when the next attack will be.
That is inevitably going to happen, so you might as well go out and enjoy.

You do have operating sharia courts over 80 of them.

And yeah christians did the crusades after Muslims had been invading Europe since the 6th and 7th century. And yes christians did similar things they dont now muslims still do.
Yes have fun but Im done tolerating those that refuse to westerize.

[Blaiiine]

Just to clear up: there are NO Sharia courts in the United Kingdom. Now there are councils where purely religious matters are held, similar to how Christians settle religious matters in church. Source is listed here.

As for westernizing, while I believe that Middle Eastern theocracy is no better, it's nowhere near perfect. Yes, we're socially liberal. Yes, we have freedom of speech and religion. But we also wage war on small countries (I could put a David and Goliath reference here but meh) for resources and money. Iraq? Had nothing to do with 9/11 but we haaaad to go in there. Why? Oil, contracts and military spending. Purely from capitalism which is a trademark of western civilization.

Yes, Islamic extremism is intolerable and abhorrent. But so is demonizing an entire culture over a minor fraction. That's how you start a war and a never-ending hotbed of terrorism and rabble rousing. If you want to stop religious extremism, you gain the support of the moderates who will push against the extremists.

[Captain Degenerate]

Just to clear up: there are NO Sharia courts in the United Kingdom. Now there are councils where purely religious matters are held, similar to how Christians settle religious matters in church. Source is listed here.

As for westernizing, while I believe that Middle Eastern theocracy is no better, it's nowhere near perfect. Yes, we're socially liberal. Yes, we have freedom of speech and religion. But we also wage war on small countries (I could put a David and Goliath reference here but meh) for resources and money. Iraq? Had nothing to do with 9/11 but we haaaad to go in there. Why? Oil, contracts and military spending. Purely from capitalism which is a trademark of western civilization.

Yes, Islamic extremism is intolerable and abhorrent. But so is demonizing an entire culture over a minor fraction. That's how you start a war and a never-ending hotbed of terrorism and rabble rousing. If you want to stop religious extremism, you gain the support of the moderates who will push against the extremists.

I never supported those wars either so dont even tell me that somehow justifies white people being made the minority in there own nations I feel no guilt over it I hate the Iraq war and I hate globalist policy and I hate any American thinking we should waste american lives to kill millions for nothing.


And what moderates? You're idea of moderate matches nothing you will find in the middle east in any meaningful numbers and the ones who are moderate will not speak up they simply wont. That's been the policy since the Iraq war and it's barely accomplished anything remember the "moderates" in Syria? The ones who yell Allhu Akbar every time they fire a bullet or kill someone? Regardless of If Iraq defeats Isis what then? They will just go back to warring over Sunni And Shiite Arab vs Persian vs Kurd they do not think like Europeans about Country race or Religion.


The West and Middle East should have nothing to do with each other they are incompatible they have there homeland and the European should have theirs. Pull out of those countries and leave it be doesn't mean we should help the middle easterners or allow them to flood Europe or the U.S out of some guilt I feel no guilt for the state of the middle east I was 4 or 5 when that **censor** Bush decided to invade them and I wont pay for there sake or the stupidity of our governments.


The west should stop wasting lives and money in unwinnable conflicts where there are no good guys and these scum in the E.U who want to make the Europeans a minority in there own countries and if they had any say over the U.S they would demand we take them to. How do the mistakes made by our predecessors justify all this guilt?

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Moderates as in Muslims who live and adapt with Western culture. Not every single Muslim is a terrorist, that attitude only reinforces the hatred of Westerners. There are plenty of Middle Easterners who, like us Westerners, just want to live their lives and be left alone by groups like ISIS or the Taliban.


And maybe we allow these Middle Eastern immigrants into our country because that's one of the foundations of our country? The ability to live peacefully and to prosper? Or should we only allow people who subscribe to a similar culture or mindset? That's fascist as all hell.


Agreed, we shouldn't be there in the first place but we are. We bombed their buildings, killed their kids and displaced them. The absolute least we can do is rebuild and repair the damage we caused. Period.